Scottish Politics Thread

Of course all this increased health activity relies on us having enough PPE of the correct sort but that's an entirely different story!
Oh God no! No the effing PPE saga again! Anything but that! I don’t think I could manage another round of “blame Boris rather than the supply chain managers, even if they’re in Scotland and Wales which has devolved health responsibilities”. Its enough to drive a man to drink!
 

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Oh God no! No the effing PPE saga again! Anything but that! I don’t think I could manage another round of “blame Boris rather than the supply chain managers, even if they’re in Scotland and Wales which has devolved health responsibilities”. Its enough to drive a man to drink!
We have been down to the last few masks on more than one occasion.
Or even completely out of some types.
Given that you are face fitted for a specific type, this can mean that only some folk can work.
Though some staff don't fit any mask and yet others are to be fit tested.
We have also been extremely short of gowns, and some of the ones we have had are a poor fit. Nothing like a 2 inch gap between gloves and cuffs!
 

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It's not security staff but health staff, and the vetting process was by Home Office for access to Home Office network, as such outwith ScotGov's hands.
I am aware it is health staff I am also aware that it is Scotgovs responsibility to ensure staff requiring vetting in there job role undergo those checks.

Scotgov has vetting capability to the required level as does Police Scotland.
Vetting by Government Departments on the behalf of another is done Routinely the Defence Vetting service being a prime example.

Had the obstacle been the Home office as opposed to a clear case of Not dotting the I's and crossing the T,s in staffing and selection of Staff for this role Freeman and Sturgeon would have been shouting this from the rooftops.
 
We have been down to the last few masks on more than one occasion.
Or even completely out of some types.
Given that you are face fitted for a specific type, this can mean that only some folk can work.
Though some staff don't fit any mask and yet others are to be fit tested.
We have also been extremely short of gowns, and some of the ones we have had are a poor fit. Nothing like a 2 inch gap between gloves and cuffs!
Should you not be getting onto your head of supply chain in your SNHS District and raise these points with them?
 

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Should you not be getting onto your head of supply chain in your SNHS District and raise these points with them?
Some items come directly through the NHS supply chain and we raise our concerns about these.
Usually sorted at a local level often in a robbing Peter to pay Paul type scenario.
Other items are from commercial suppliers and then we are in the melee with everyone else. If these continue to be a problem nationally then NHS has taken over supply chain and then it is as above.

PPE of the desired levels for health care is in high demand and the Procurement folk are well aware of the shortfalls.

It hasn't helped that occasionally batches of masks have been recalled by manufacturers for unknown reasons. You think that you have a good stock and suddenly half of it is declared unfit for use.
 
What other wild conspiracy theories do you subscribe to? CIA/Mossad responsible for 9/11? The moon landings only happened in a Hollywood lot? The Russians didn’t cheat in the Olympics? Etc
I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories. I evaluate empirical data and base my conclusion on that. ~44,000 UK deaths "with" C-19 is less than 10% of annual UK deaths. As Prof Ferguson said: most would have died in next 9 months anyway

Back in February mortality rate of symptomatic & seeking health care C-19 cases was ~0.5%. Since then it has decreased to ~0.24%

Yesterday, after 8 months (Nov-Jun) total global deaths was ~560,000 out of a population of 7,800,000,000

The facts do not support the draconian measures Govs have imposed. It's flabbergasting how gullible and fearful UK population has become. More so here
 

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I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories. I evaluate empirical data and base my conclusion on that. ~44,000 UK deaths "with" C-19 is less than 10% of annual UK deaths. As Prof Ferguson said: most would have died in next 9 months anyway

Back in February mortality rate of symptomatic & seeking health care C-19 cases was ~0.5%. Since then it has decreased to ~0.24%

Yesterday, after 8 months (Nov-Jun) total global deaths was ~560,000 out of a population of 7,800,000,000

The facts do not support the draconian measures Govs have imposed. It's flabbergasting how gullible and fearful UK population has become. More so here
So were the TV pictures from Italy faked?
Where people were lying on the floor in hospitals due to over crowding?
Field hospitals overflowing with casualties?

New York where health facilities needed staff from out of state to treat the numbers?

The overwhelming of hospitals in Hubai?

Deaths is only one aspect of the pandemic.
 

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Nic Wood, the managing director of parent company Signature Pubs, said it was important to show customers that they were open and safe.

But he said they were facing a "huge hurdle" in convincing people to return to the hospitality industry.

"It's very worrying how quiet Edinburgh city centre, the Grassmarket, is at the moment," he added.

"Trying to persuade people to come back when they have been told to stay at home and not to socialise is the biggest job by far to overcome"

 

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I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories. I evaluate empirical data and base my conclusion on that. ~44,000 UK deaths "with" C-19 is less than 10% of annual UK deaths. As Prof Ferguson said: most would have died in next 9 months anyway

Back in February mortality rate of symptomatic & seeking health care C-19 cases was ~0.5%. Since then it has decreased to ~0.24%

Yesterday, after 8 months (Nov-Jun) total global deaths was ~560,000 out of a population of 7,800,000,000

The facts do not support the draconian measures Govs have imposed. It's flabbergasting how gullible and fearful UK population has become. More so here
The 'draconian meadures' were not designed to save lives as such, but to contain the outbreak - which it did, and to ensure the NHS were not overwhelmed - which it did.

A week or so ago Scotland posted death figures lower than the average, partly I contend, because many had already succumbed to Covid-19 early.

Covid-19 is a vicious, nasty virus which, just because you did not get it, does not make it any less of a killer; especially to those of us of more mature years.
 

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The 'draconian meadures' were not designed to save lives as such, but to contain the outbreak - which it did, and to ensure the NHS were not overwhelmed - which it did.

A week or so ago Scotland posted death figures lower than the average, partly I contend, because many had already succumbed to Covid-19 early.

Covid-19 is a vicious, nasty virus which, just because you did not get it, does not make it any less of a killer; especially to those of us of more mature years.
You just have to look at the numbers coming out of the US to put the lie to the "it's not that bad" argument.

Would the death toll be far higher if the hospitals were overloaded and the staff exhausted. Factors the "it only kills a small number" people fail to take into account.

Now that the old and bold have been removed the figures for the young are becoming interesting. The number show that when you get to the stage of being so ill you need hospitalisation the death toll percentages go up. We are yet to see the long term damage surviving will cause. It would be interesting to see an estimate of how many could have died if we had just let it run and we may see those very soon as it spirals out of control in the US.

It would be interesting to see how many fewer deaths due the RTA and industrial accidents have occurred.
 

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While everyone’s eye is on the NHS

The polls suggest that FM Nicola Sturgeon will continue to lead Scotland on the road to independence
So for all you little north Britainers start looking southward as your presence oop north will no longer be tolerated

Scotland will have its referendum regardless of PM BJ


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Seems the media blackout on the evidence gathered last week into the Salmondgate
Means no salacious stories sold so far
For those who may be tempted by this, Gorgeous George has a sober reminder that someone, somewhere has to pay for it.


He was quite indefatigable on the point.
 

homeworker

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For those who may be tempted by this, Gorgeous George has a sober reminder that someone, somewhere has to pay for it.


He was quite indefatigable on the point.
It is amazing to think that even after all of the statements from UK guv and others that an independent Scotland will not be able to use the pound after they have gone off on their own but still they come back with “its oor pound as well”. It beggars belief.
 
It is amazing to think that even after all of the statements from UK guv and others that an independent Scotland will not be able to use the pound after they have gone off on their own but still they come back with “its oor pound as well”. It beggars belief.
You are an imbecile..
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It is amazing to think that even after all of the statements from UK guv and others that an independent Scotland will not be able to use the pound after they have gone off on their own but still they come back with “its oor pound as well”. It beggars belief.
I think the SNP are on the level here -
There is nothing at all the UK can do to stop them using pounds sterling.
Of course what they are not saying is, that they will have no input into how the currency is valued and where rates will be set and so wheras now best for UK is at times a case of best compromise between the various regions requirements post Scexit, Scottish requirements need not factor and so best for UK could be dog doings for Scotland .
 

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I think the SNP are on the level here -
There is nothing at all the UK can do to stop them using pounds sterling.
Correct, iScotland can use whichever internationally traded currency it wishes to, if it can afford it. Pound Sterling (but English bank notes only one would assume) US Dollar a la Zimbabwe or Ecuador, or the Euro of course, in fact that may be the best option, get the natives ready for their new currency for when they join the EU, if they're allowed.

Only a few minor fiscal rules to disregard a la Greece, a minuscule deficit issue to hide etc etc, but our European friends are masters of the illegal bodge when it suits. Oh, almost forgot, just need to persuade Mutti and her benevolent burghers to fund another bankrupt country, after a 45% uptick in contributions to the project due to that perfidious Brexit departure of the favourite milch cow.

What could possibly go wrong...

JB
 
I think the SNP are on the level here -
There is nothing at all the UK can do to stop them using pounds sterling.
Of course what they are not saying is, that they will have no input into how the currency is valued and where rates will be set and so wheras now best for UK is at times a case of best compromise between the various regions requirements post Scexit, Scottish requirements need not factor and so best for UK could be dog doings for Scotland .
You are correct they can use pound sterling but there are a few downsides
  1. Higher bond yields, increasing cost of debt payments.
  2. Greater pressure for austerity.
  3. Trade imbalance.
Then there is setting up a new currency. If Scotland had its own currency it would create significant transaction costs for cross England Scotland trade.

It would also raise problem of fluctuating exchange rates between Scotland and England which may discourage cross border trade. Scotland may be more vulnerable to exchange rate fluctuations and a loss of confidence in the currency.


But it is hypothetical as I cannot see it happening any time soon.
 

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