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Fang_Farrier

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And you miss the point, again, that was raised.
So what is the point?

That there are anomalies in the guidance across all 4 nations?
 

Fang_Farrier

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With a uk death toll just shy of 40,000 would you agree that the media can afford to be critical of everything being said by the FM/PM
There is always a balance to be had between questioning and holding to account
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Undermining advice and spreading fear, uncertainty and outright panic.
 
With a uk death toll just shy of 40,000 would you agree that the media can afford to be critical of everything being said by the FM/PM
It's the media's job to be critical - a fact that seems to fly over the heads of many arrsers bleating about the BBC (for example).

Your point is valid, however, imagine for a moment if the death toll in Scotland had been 236 instead of 2360. The Herald would be moaning about the unnecessary damage done to the economy by the FM's lockdown.
 
So what is the point?

That there are anomalies in the guidance across all 4 nations?
Why is it alright to send a young kid to a childminder, where it will more than likely be mixing with kids from other homes not knowing if those kids families had been following the social distancing rules, yet that same kid is not allowed to be sent to a relatives household to mix with other young kids where they know that those kids had been following social distancing rules.
 
It's the media's job to be critical - a fact that seems to fly over the heads of many arrsers bleating about the BBC (for example).

Your point is valid, however, imagine for a moment if the death toll in Scotland had been 236 instead of 2360. The Herald would be moaning about the unnecessary damage done to the economy by the FM's lockdown.
As usual you either skip blindly past or deliberately ignore the complete and utter bias and one sidedness, if that's a word, of the MSM (there's even a whole thread on here about the bias shown by the BBC :) ).

The media can be as critical as it likes, it should however be fair about it and not let it's political bias colour it's News coverage (different if the programme labels itself as current affairs and informs viewers/readers of the political leanings of participants).

It would be a complete and utter shock if the media in Scotland ever treated the Scottish government and it's ministers in the way those in Westminster get treated, you'd soon be bleating about just how unfair it was.
 

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It's the media's job to be critical - a fact that seems to fly over the heads of many arrsers bleating about the BBC (for example).

Your point is valid, however, imagine for a moment if the death toll in Scotland had been 236 instead of 2360. The Herald would be moaning about the unnecessary damage done to the economy by the FM's lockdown.
It is not the job of media to be critical - it is one part of their job. The job of the media is to report the facts, and use opinion pieces for criticism.

However the media at the moment seem to think along the same lines as you and rather than report fact they prefer opinion and inuendo.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Why is it alright to send a young kid to a childminder, where it will more than likely be mixing with kids from other homes not knowing if those kids families had been following the social distancing rules, yet that same kid is not allowed to be sent to a relatives household to mix with other young kids where they know that those kids had been following social distancing rules.
Because those are the rules.

To make it equitable you would have to ban all child care. Childminders, nurseries and schools.

This would have a fair more negative impact.

The children might or might not be going to the child minder with others, they may be on their own.
Other members of your family might be correctly social distancing, they might not.

A line has to be drawn somewhere, and in this case it has been drawn where it has been.
 

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Indeed, given the relatively low numbers of C19 in hospitals and the community, it's not surprising given that across the world the stats show that most Covid victims are elderly and have comorbidities. Just like the residents of care homes.

The average life expectancy once you enter a care home is just under 2 years.

Been monitoring the situation in a few local care homes. Nearest of which is still covid free has lost 8 residents out of 42 since March.

The Skye care home which hit the headlines has lost less.
 
It is not the job of media to be critical - it is one part of their job. The job of the media is to report the facts, and use opinion pieces for criticism.

However the media at the moment seem to think along the same lines as you and rather than report fact they prefer opinion and inuendo.
I agree with you. You only have to look at that quote from the Herald to see that you are right.
 
My link to the herald was to the letters page…..The man in girvan had a point
Yep, but the editor selected the letters to publish on the website.

ETA: I wasn't quite sure what point the man in Girvan was making. Was he trying to say we should come out of lockdown and let everyone take responsibility for protecting themselves? It read more like he was getting fed up being told to stop eating pies.
 
Yep, but the editor selected the letters to publish on the website.

ETA: I wasn't quite sure what point the man in Girvan was making. Was he trying to say we should come out of lockdown and let everyone take responsibility for protecting themselves? It read more like he was getting fed up being told to stop eating pies.
His point was all the government advice over the years is ignored
 
It's the media's job to be critical - a fact that seems to fly over the heads of many arrsers bleating about the BBC (for example).
Beg to disagree. It’s the media job to find the facts and report them as they find them and to Be a platform for those who want to say something intelligent. It is parliaments job to be critical. The daily whinge by the BBC merely underlines that Campbell did his job effectively and turned it into a Labour Party mouthpiece. What the Beeb Are missing is that each individual “nation” is responsible for it’s own well being and the PM handed control to PHE, which he was obliged to do. Labour know that, so frankly the concept of a non political set up is just laughable.
So I’ll leave it like this, should Labour have got what they wanted, a national emergency government They wouldn’t be launching as they do. They wouldn’t be doing much either
 
Beg to disagree. It’s the media job to find the facts and report them as they find them and to Be a platform for those who want to say something intelligent. It is parliaments job to be critical. The daily whinge by the BBC merely underlines that Campbell did his job effectively and turned it into a Labour Party mouthpiece. What the Beeb Are missing is that each individual “nation” is responsible for it’s own well being and the PM handed control to PHE, which he was obliged to do. Labour know that, so frankly the concept of a non political set up is just laughable.
So I’ll leave it like this, should Labour have got what they wanted, a national emergency government They wouldn’t be launching as they do. They wouldn’t be doing much either
The BBC isn't the media, only a part of it.
The prime role of the "print" media is to sell copy/subscriptions, so they tailor what they report to who they perceive to be their target audience. The Telegraph may come out with the occasional piece of criticism of the Tories, but they know their target audience and the fawning adulation is much more in the majority. Just like arrse really.
 

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The BBC isn't the media, only a part of it.
The prime role of the "print" media is to sell copy/subscriptions, so they tailor what they report to who they perceive to be their target audience. The Telegraph may come out with the occasional piece of criticism of the Tories, but they know their target audience and the fawning adulation is much more in the majority. Just like arrse really.
Broadcast media is allegedly regulated for balance.

There's no such balance required for printed media, usually the political opinion that will sell most copies and can see different slants in different parts of the UK for essentially the same paper. But a degree of truth is needed.

On line media is entirely unregulated and can say anything, and often do. Even blatant lies can go unchallenged.
 
The BBC isn't the media, only a part of it.
The prime role of the "print" media is to sell copy/subscriptions, so they tailor what they report to who they perceive to be their target audience. The Telegraph may come out with the occasional piece of criticism of the Tories, but they know their target audience and the fawning adulation is much more in the majority. Just like arrse really.
Ah so your‘e a happy Blairite then. But thank for making my point. Fawning is only permitted for the great socialist cause.
 

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