Scottish Politics Thread

Rod924

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From today's U.K. government figures shows that Scotland and Wales still very similar and well behind England in deaths per million of population.


England 32,666 deaths, population 55.98million, deaths per million 583

Scotland 2245 deaths, population 5.44millon, deaths per million 413

Wales 1260 deaths, population 3.14millon, deaths per million 401

NI. 504 Deaths, population 1.88millon, deaths per million 268.
Have you watched the clip?
 

Fang_Farrier

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Have you watched the clip?
Don't have half an hour when a brief look at the UK Government figures easily shows deaths per million

England 32,666 deaths, population 55.98million, deaths per million 583

Scotland 2245 deaths, population 5.44millon, deaths per million 413

Wales 1260 deaths, population 3.14millon, deaths per million 401

NI. 504 Deaths, population 1.88millon, deaths per million 268
 

Rod924

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Don't have half an hour when a brief look at the UK Government figures easily shows deaths per million

England 32,666 deaths, population 55.98million, deaths per million 583

Scotland 2245 deaths, population 5.44millon, deaths per million 413

Wales 1260 deaths, population 3.14millon, deaths per million 401

NI. 504 Deaths, population 1.88millon, deaths per million 268
But they dont take into account the population density which is a more detailed measure of performance.
 
But they dont take into account the population density which is a more detailed measure of performance.
Only if the comparison of population density makes sense. Almost 70% of the population of Scotland live in the Central Belt, which has as high or higher, population density of anywhere in England outside of London.
 

Fang_Farrier

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But they dont take into account the population density which is a more detailed measure of performance.
Scotland has no more an even spread of its population than England does.
 
Only if the comparison of population density makes sense. Almost 70% of the population of Scotland live in the Central Belt, which has as high or higher, population density of anywhere in England outside of London.
And to me, an erroneous comparison. From Wiki:

The Central Belt of Scotland is the area of highest population density within Scotland. Depending on the definition used, it has a population of between 2.4 and 4.2 million covering an area of approximately 10,000 km2, including Greater Glasgow, Ayrshire, Falkirk, Edinburgh, Lothian and Fife.

And yet one English City:


If you compare an amalgamation of 2 cities (Greater Glasgow, Edinburgh), 1 county (Ayrshire), 1 large town (Falkirk), one region (Lothian) and 1 Local authority (Fife) against just 1 English city in Northern England that gives a completely better impression of density of population and of course as I've said previously there are many more areas of high concentration in England than there are in Scotland.
 

Fang_Farrier

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And to me, an erroneous comparison. From Wiki:

The Central Belt of Scotland is the area of highest population density within Scotland. Depending on the definition used, it has a population of between 2.4 and 4.2 million covering an area of approximately 10,000 km2, including Greater Glasgow, Ayrshire, Falkirk, Edinburgh, Lothian and Fife.

And yet one English City:


If you compare an amalgamation of 2 cities (Greater Glasgow, Edinburgh), 1 county (Ayrshire), 1 large town (Falkirk), one region (Lothian) and 1 Local authority (Fife) against just 1 English city in Northern England that gives a completely better impression of density of population and of course as I've said previously there are many more areas of high concentration in England than there are in Scotland.
Indeed, but the entire population is 10 times that of Scotland.

In terms of rural to urban, the distribution is similar enough proportionally.

Therefore it is logical to compare deaths per million of overall population.
 

Fang_Farrier

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Will we be seeing more of these? A media and social media release from NHS Highland.

"Following the identification of a confirmed case of COVID-19 on Skye on Thursday, an Incident Management Team was convened to investigate and manage the situation.

In order to reduce the potential for further spread of COVID-19, NHS Highland contacted all those directly affected to provide advice and organise testing where required.

All appropriate actions have now been taken and no additional follow up is required in relation to this situation."
 

Fang_Farrier

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Scottish Labour have a different approach to the Cummings issue than the main Party. SLab have joined forces with the SNP to call for the resignation or firing of Cummings.
 
Scottish Labour have a different approach to the Cummings issue than the main Party. SLab have joined forces with the SNP to call for the resignation or firing of Cummings.
I don’t think I’ve ever read anything so damning of the SNP position
 
Scottish Labour have a different approach to the Cummings issue than the main Party. SLab have joined forces with the SNP to call for the resignation or firing of Cummings.
theres not a huge amount of difference between the wonks in slab and the snpee - totally incompetent arses whose only mission in life is to hate the english and destroy the scottish economy via their slightly different versions of warped socialism - no surprises they think alike.
 
Indeed, but the entire population is 10 times that of Scotland.

In terms of rural to urban, the distribution is similar enough proportionally.

Therefore it is logical to compare deaths per million of overall population.
I don't follow that logic TBH.

I can see why it would be credible to compare deaths or infection rates of rural populations in Scotland with those rural areas in England.

I can see why it would be credible to compare deaths or infection rates of city populations in Scotland with city populations in England as long as you're comparing similar sized cities.

What I cannot understand is why anyone would think lumping cities, counties and areas in Scotland with just one city in England outside London is credible or means anything. That just doesn't compute to me.

I also don't understand why, other than for use as a general statistic, anyone would think comparing deaths per million of overall population means anything at all. The only real statistic capable of being used for comparison purposes within the UK (i.e. Scotland - England) is that of death rates per population centre, be that city or rural area, anything else is just manipulating statistics to prove an authors point.
 

Rod924

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Scotland has no more an even spread of its population than England does.
I totally disagree. As a medical person, do you agree that a virus thrives better in a more densely populated areas with numerous transport hubs?

Would a sparse population be easier to control a spread; track and trace?
 
Scottish Labour have a different approach to the Cummings issue than the main Party. SLab have joined forces with the SNP to call for the resignation or firing of Cummings.
call it a thread poll stay or go for mr cummings….

His concern for his young children meant he broke the law. Would any of us have done the same.
 
I don't follow that logic TBH.

I can see why it would be credible to compare deaths or infection rates of rural populations in Scotland with those rural areas in England.

I can see why it would be credible to compare deaths or infection rates of city populations in Scotland with city populations in England as long as you're comparing similar sized cities.

What I cannot understand is why anyone would think lumping cities, counties and areas in Scotland with just one city in England outside London is credible or means anything. That just doesn't compute to me.

I also don't understand why, other than for use as a general statistic, anyone would think comparing deaths per million of overall population means anything at all. The only real statistic capable of being used for comparison purposes within the UK (i.e. Scotland - England) is that of death rates per population centre, be that city or rural area, anything else is just manipulating statistics to prove an authors point.
I see what you are saying for example take Lothian and Liverpool - roughly the same size - Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust deaths 399, Lothian deaths 604

ETA Source - Liverpool Echo and SH figures.
 
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Fang_Farrier

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I don't follow that logic TBH.

I can see why it would be credible to compare deaths or infection rates of rural populations in Scotland with those rural areas in England.

I can see why it would be credible to compare deaths or infection rates of city populations in Scotland with city populations in England as long as you're comparing similar sized cities.

What I cannot understand is why anyone would think lumping cities, counties and areas in Scotland with just one city in England outside London is credible or means anything. That just doesn't compute to me.

I also don't understand why, other than for use as a general statistic, anyone would think comparing deaths per million of overall population means anything at all. The only real statistic capable of being used for comparison purposes within the UK (i.e. Scotland - England) is that of death rates per population centre, be that city or rural area, anything else is just manipulating statistics to prove an authors point.
I didn't do any lumping together of parts of Scotland to compare to an English city.

To my mind it does make sense to compare countries as we do have approximately similar ratios of urban to rural areas.
 

Fang_Farrier

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I totally disagree. As a medical person, do you agree that a virus thrives better in a more densely populated areas with numerous transport hubs?

Would a sparse population be easier to control a spread; track and trace?
But the majority of Scotland's population lives in densely populated areas with numerous transport hubs.
 

Fang_Farrier

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call it a thread poll stay or go for mr cummings….

His concern for his young children meant he broke the law. Would any of us have done the same.
The advice was very simple. No travel if symptomatic.
And definitely not to elderly folk.
 

Rod924

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But the majority of Scotland's population lives in densely populated areas with numerous transport hubs.

65% granted. But I'd have a pint or 10 on transport hubs and their capacity compared to Manchester, let alone London Fang. Have you watched it yet? It's by a lecturer in that sort of stuff and it's well balanced, with watching.
 

mrboo

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Scottish Labour have a different approach to the Cummings issue than the main Party. SLab have joined forces with the SNP to call for the resignation or firing of Cummings.
I don't get why the parties stand behind the likes of cummings. It was the same with the SNP and Catherine Calderwood. They make a bad judgment get caught resign or get sacked. There is no point in the party trying to justify it, as there will be an outcry by other parties and public undermining what ever they are trying to achieve. It just makes the ones trying to justify it look like cnuts and they will have to go anyway.
 

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