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Auld-Yin

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They also need a sound economic plan. Something most existing countries won't have for quite some time, let alone a new one!
They might find Boris's economic plan for post Covid-19 is to get rid of Scotland, N Ireland and Wales :)
 
The battle lines have already been drawn and skirmishes have been ongoing for months, the first clash was over Transgender rights and changes to legislation proposed by one faction (we’ll call them “Faction 1”, purely for ease of reference, logically it follows that the other one is referred to as “Faction 2”) and opposed by another, for various reasons. The sniping and small engagements have been limited so far, and most have now ceased due to the coronavirus crisis, although the Salmond trial was the first major engagement the fallout from it has again been muted by the current situation.

Faction 1, wants independence and a referendum this year and wants to persuade the majority that Scotland can be an independent country, led by Nicola Sturgeon it’s trying to maintain a campaign to increase support, supports Trans Rights. Currently this faction holds both the position of FM and head of the SNP.

Faction 2, wants independence now and it’s members are willing to countenance all methods, short of violence, to get it, although at the moment the leadership is committed to the referendum path. This faction is more connected to an emotional appeal to “Scottishness”, there are quite a few disturbing indications of “blood and soil” nationalism being widespread amongst this faction. Led by Alex Salmond, currently opposes Trans rights, believes that Faction 1 have betrayed “the cause of independence”. Although it has members in both Holyrood and Westminster SNP, it has as yet no identified members amongst the SNP leadership. Although a number of SNP “Grandees” have come out in open support of this faction.

The next battleground for the opposing Factions is the selection of the candidate for the position of MSP for Edinburgh Central. The two main candidates are Angus Robertson, from Faction 1, and Joanna Cherry from Faction 2, however it must be noted that Cherry may be harbouring her own ambitions to be both the successor to Sturgeon as FM but also lead the party. The situation is further muddied by the inclusion of prominent Independence/Yes supporters in the mix, the Reverend Stuart Campbell supports Faction 2 and has recently been extremely scathing of Sturgeon. Recently there has been “calls” for him to establish a new Independence supporting party to challenge the SNP in the next Holyrood election, whilst this may be seen as a potential vehicle to enable Salmond to enter mainstream politics if opposition within SNP is too much after the recent case, it may indicate preparation for a worst case scenario by Faction 2.

Obviously everything has currently been put on hold due to the current crisis as Sturgeon tries to manage the Scottish Government’s response and Salmond has been advised to self-isolate for three months due to a history of respiratory illness. What effect the crisis has on both factions is as yet unknown, what is clear at the moment unless an opposition that appears to offer a competent alternative to the SNP arises out of this crisis then the SNP are on track to remain in government in Holyrood. The only scenario in which they don’t is if the impending Civil War within the SNP completely sunders their support base and splits the party and vote. That may allow another party to try and form a minority government if it can agree with another party a suitable agreement such as the SNP’s agreement with the Tories in 2007. As the Chinese saying goes “ We are living in interesting times”.
TBH I think more of those within the SNP would go for Faction 1 as I think the visceral hatred of Faction 2 doesn't really fit with modern Scotland. I also think people are more than a tad cheesed off with the Party infighting and talk of independence taking precedence over running the country, I also think Sturgeon gets this and Salmond doesn't but couldn't give a toss anyway.
 
It matters not, by agreeing to the governments stand on referendum, nothing can occur. The only way for Westminster to change its position is…..answers on a postcard to mr ian blackford mp.
 

CanteenCowboy

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Just in case anybody wants another viewpoint or rehashing of the Salmond trial. It is quite good. Brilliant line in it: “Is he willing to set fire to the house he built, just to watch his enemies burn?” Which neatly encapsulated the whole situation, in my opinion.


It does raise a number of interesting questions regarding the whole affair and it’s impact on Scotland.
 
Just in case anybody wants another viewpoint or rehashing of the Salmond trial. It is quite good. Brilliant line in it: “Is he willing to set fire to the house he built, just to watch his enemies burn?” Which neatly encapsulated the whole situation, in my opinion.


It does raise a number of interesting questions regarding the whole affair and it’s impact on Scotland.
I think the answer to that is a resounding YES.
 
Just in case anybody wants another viewpoint or rehashing of the Salmond trial. It is quite good. Brilliant line in it: “Is he willing to set fire to the house he built, just to watch his enemies burn?”
Yes he's a chippie wee niaf!
 

Fang_Farrier

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The battle lines have already been drawn and skirmishes have been ongoing for months, the first clash was over Transgender rights and changes to legislation proposed by one faction (we’ll call them “Faction 1”, purely for ease of reference, logically it follows that the other one is referred to as “Faction 2”) and opposed by another, for various reasons. The sniping and small engagements have been limited so far, and most have now ceased due to the coronavirus crisis, although the Salmond trial was the first major engagement the fallout from it has again been muted by the current situation.

Faction 1, wants independence and a referendum this year and wants to persuade the majority that Scotland can be an independent country, led by Nicola Sturgeon it’s trying to maintain a campaign to increase support, supports Trans Rights. Currently this faction holds both the position of FM and head of the SNP.

Faction 2, wants independence now and it’s members are willing to countenance all methods, short of violence, to get it, although at the moment the leadership is committed to the referendum path. This faction is more connected to an emotional appeal to “Scottishness”, there are quite a few disturbing indications of “blood and soil” nationalism being widespread amongst this faction. Led by Alex Salmond, currently opposes Trans rights, believes that Faction 1 have betrayed “the cause of independence”. Although it has members in both Holyrood and Westminster SNP, it has as yet no identified members amongst the SNP leadership. Although a number of SNP “Grandees” have come out in open support of this faction.

The next battleground for the opposing Factions is the selection of the candidate for the position of MSP for Edinburgh Central. The two main candidates are Angus Robertson, from Faction 1, and Joanna Cherry from Faction 2, however it must be noted that Cherry may be harbouring her own ambitions to be both the successor to Sturgeon as FM but also lead the party. The situation is further muddied by the inclusion of prominent Independence/Yes supporters in the mix, the Reverend Stuart Campbell supports Faction 2 and has recently been extremely scathing of Sturgeon. Recently there has been “calls” for him to establish a new Independence supporting party to challenge the SNP in the next Holyrood election, whilst this may be seen as a potential vehicle to enable Salmond to enter mainstream politics if opposition within SNP is too much after the recent case, it may indicate preparation for a worst case scenario by Faction 2.

Obviously everything has currently been put on hold due to the current crisis as Sturgeon tries to manage the Scottish Government’s response and Salmond has been advised to self-isolate for three months due to a history of respiratory illness. What effect the crisis has on both factions is as yet unknown, what is clear at the moment unless an opposition that appears to offer a competent alternative to the SNP arises out of this crisis then the SNP are on track to remain in government in Holyrood. The only scenario in which they don’t is if the impending Civil War within the SNP completely sunders their support base and splits the party and vote. That may allow another party to try and form a minority government if it can agree with another party a suitable agreement such as the SNP’s agreement with the Tories in 2007. As the Chinese saying goes “ We are living in interesting times”.

We have been talking about the two factions within the SNP for some time, those who want Independence NOW an those who realise that they have no chance at present in an indyref and want to wait for a more opportune time.

Whether it will lead to an Operation Hummingbird or not, only time will tell.
 

CanteenCowboy

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We have been talking about the two factions within the SNP for some time, those who want Independence NOW an those who realise that they have no chance at present in an indyref and want to wait for a more opportune time.

Whether it will lead to an Operation Hummingbird or not, only time will tell.
As he’s self-isolating for three months, he might have no say in whether “the house burns down”. Some of his supporters (including some who should know f*****g better) have put quite threatening posts on social media, it may spiral out of his control and the edifice of a united SNP crumble into dust. We only need to look to recent examples amongst the SNP to know that in some instances there are deep fractures under the surface.
 

Fang_Farrier

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As he’s self-isolating for three months, he might have no say in whether “the house burns down”. Some of his supporters (including some who should know f*****g better) have put quite threatening posts on social media, it may spiral out of his control and the edifice of a united SNP crumble into dust. We only need to look to recent examples amongst the SNP to know that in some instances there are deep fractures under the surface.
The Reichstag Fire Decree was instrumental in ensuring that a certain Party stayed in power for many years by effectly stopping any opposition and blocking criticism in the media
 

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Auld-Yin

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Given that she died of Typhus, caught from those she was nursing, is that an apt choice?
At least it will be named after a nurse rather than the hospital administrator that London chose. ;)
 
But,but....

14/03/2017
Former Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond has said Scotland is a “viable independent country outside of the UK”.
The political leader insisted $60 gave the country a strong economic standing.
Speaking to Bloomberg TV, he said: “Scotland is a viable independent country outside the UK. “At $60 per barrel of oil Scotland will be the fifteenth country in the world per wealth per head. That means that we would be better off that another 185 countries, one place ahead of the UK as a whole.
//www.energyvoice.com/oilandgas/north-sea/134024/alex-salmond-60-oil-gives-independent-scotland-strong-economic-case/

Now sitting at $25.36, surely freedom is just a brisk walk in the sunshine then onwards to the open arms of the eu.
"all is grist that comes to his mill" eh?
 

Fang_Farrier

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Someone thought a glasgow nurse who died on active service deserves recognition. Or would you prefer it called something else?
I am quite happy with it but it has been noted within the NHS that she died from catching a disease from those she was treating.
 

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