Scottish Politics Thread

While everyone is distracted by the whole unfurling of the EU flag at Holyrood on the 31st, the sad fact remains, the armed forces once a refuge from poverty still struggles to offer a chance for those unable to escape. No matter how hard you sell it poverty affects health which can lead to a medical deferral.


Throwing money isn't the solution, actually getting both scotgov and westminster to co-ordinate is a bridge too far….
But, but, but the will of the Scottish people etc, etc

 
She's really pushing hard to get a referendum isn't she? Anyone would think she might be a bit worried about the election results next year.
 
BoJo clearly intends to diverge sharply from EU rules and regulations
I'm not so sure about that mate - remember that BoJos version of Brexit is 95% Teresa Mays and the majority of our politicians simply do not know how to handle political independence without being told what to do by the EU. It will take business to identify the new opportunities and to forge ahead with them to open our MPs eyes to the full possibilities but my worry is that they will have not seperated the UK from the EU enough to allow us to grow into ouyr new found freedom.
 
Interesting read

 
Interesting read

Sounds like whoever wrote that has been reading this threadf, nothing new there for us, but good that someone is publishing it.
 
Blackford getting his ARRSE handed to him on a plate at PMQ

Blackford says the Scottish plans have wide support. They would boost Scotland’s population, improve its economy and protect public services. Scotland was told it would be an equal partner. Will Johnson accept this plan?

Johnson says his points-based immigration system will help the whole of the UK. He says the Scottish parliament has not had a debate on education for two years. Yet today it is debating flying the EU flag, he says.
Brilliant.

I would also have thrown in that Scotland's population has been stable over the last 20 years or so. So all those years of 400,000 arriving in the UK, not many of them made their way up to Scotland.
 

Dredd

LE
Speaking of figures, the YesNP FB account has just put up one of their propaganda posts with a huge graphic that states that exports to the EU grew by £695m between 2017 and 2018. The wee blurb bit then says:

Scotland's exports to the EU grew at a faster rate in 2018 than those to the rest of the UK, or to other international markets, rising by 4.5%.
All good so far. Of course it is designed to make it look like the exit on 31st January will be an apocalypse, a catastrophe, the end of days for the Scottish economy. Excellent dog-whistling going on there.

It doesn't then put that into any form of context. It doesn't state what proportion of the exports are to the EU than to RoW, or (and this would be harder to do anyway) note that 60%+ of our business is conducted over our own land border. Or what the corresponding import rate is.

It's like reading a report about a Scotland - England match and being told that Doohdah McTavish hit the bar with a thundering shot and overall we had ten shots on goal which was an increase of 10% on the last match. But failing to mention that the match was lost 0-3 and the opposition had 80% possession and scored on the same number of shots.

This is what the country life article was talking about - and we sit back and let them.

For shame.
 
Oooohhhh that's obviously going to make Boris change his mind as the Scottish Parliament votes for Indyref2


He's already told them to do one, there are vastly more important things to discuss. Like continuing to fly the EU flag after Friday..........
 
Oooohhhh that's obviously going to make Boris change his mind as the Scottish Parliament votes for Indyref2


He's already told them to do one, there are vastly more important things to discuss. Like continuing to fly the EU flag after Friday..........
Christ on a crutch, this 'woman', and I use that term loosely, is bl*ody tiresome
 

g4eddie

Old-Salt
Oooohhhh that's obviously going to make Boris change his mind as the Scottish Parliament votes for Indyref2


He's already told them to do one, there are vastly more important things to discuss. Like continuing to fly the EU flag after Friday..........
So what do we do now?
Either way we/ GB are in for a difficult time -
if Boris says No he is undemocratic
If he says yes he risks splitting the UK ( Wales and Ireland are bound to follow if Scotland goes.)

There is also a big chance if Scotland gets a referendum , and wins, the EU will likely flood the place with cash to spite RUk.

Any ideas ?
Anyone ?

Say no would seem to be the best bet.

G4Eddie
 
So what do we do now?
Either way we/ GB are in for a difficult time -
if Boris says No he is undemocratic
If he says yes he risks splitting the UK ( Wales and Ireland are bound to follow if Scotland goes.)

There is also a big chance if Scotland gets a referendum , and wins, the EU will likely flood the place with cash to spite RUk.

Any ideas ?
Anyone ?

Say no would seem to be the best bet.

G4Eddie
The only difficulty the UK faces is putting up with Scottish Nationalists that are bent on ignoring the message a majority of it's people gave in the independence referendum. If you remember back to the EU referendum and the forcast doom if the referendum result was ignored by the granting of a second one, what do you seriously think will happen within Scotland if the SNP is granted another referendum on independence?

The UKPM has stated the Scottish independence referendum was, in the words of Alex Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon and the fat controller Blackford, "a once in a generation" one so to have another one before the generation passes would indicate they lied, and barefaced to boot. So it isn't going to happen, end of.

Wales and NI do have it's Nationalists, but they aren't in any way close to the numbers of the SNP and the push for independence isn't anywhere near as big so the Union isn't really under threat.

Where do you think the EU is going to get this "flood of cash" for Scotland from and do you seriously think the EU would jeopardise a healthy trading relationship with one of its biggest markets?
 

offog

LE
So what do we do now?
Either way we/ GB are in for a difficult time -
if Boris says No he is undemocratic
If he says yes he risks splitting the UK ( Wales and Ireland are bound to follow if Scotland goes.)

There is also a big chance if Scotland gets a referendum , and wins, the EU will likely flood the place with cash to spite RUk.

Any ideas ?
Anyone ?

Say no would seem to be the best bet.

G4Eddie
What cash, the Uk is a main provider of EU cash which is why they wanted us to stay.

Letting Scotland in would set a very bad precedent which both France and Spain will not like, so a successful break away Scotland will get black balled so it does not encourage other breakaway groups.
 
Wrong thread perhaps?
With the upcoming FM grand plan being unveiled imminent Brexit departure and of course the trial of the century starting in March
The impartially of any news platform has to be impeccable otherwise we are no better than a banana regime sponsored by United fruit
 

Dredd

LE
I see Scotland in Union has picked up on my point yesterday regarding the YesNP dog-whistling - here is the context I was referring to:

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So fair enough - it is a big chunk but I heard that wee lassie who replaced cry-baby in the EuroParl (she only had 4 days to sit!) who is an "organic farmer" bemoan this morning that Brexit would mean we lose the EU market.

Let that sink in for a minute.

These disingenuous liars and expert mis-directors use phrases like that to suggest that come 1st January next year it will be impossible to sell anything to any EU member state, simply because we are no longer one.

And yet again it was not challenged by the presenter on the BBC Shortbread morning show.

For shame.
 
The only difficulty the UK faces is putting up with Scottish Nationalists that are bent on ignoring the message a majority of it's people gave in the independence referendum. If you remember back to the EU referendum and the forcast doom if the referendum result was ignored by the granting of a second one, what do you seriously think will happen within Scotland if the SNP is granted another referendum on independence?

The UKPM has stated the Scottish independence referendum was, in the words of Alex Salmond, Nicola Sturgeon and the fat controller Blackford, "a once in a generation" one so to have another one before the generation passes would indicate they lied, and barefaced to boot. So it isn't going to happen, end of.

Wales and NI do have it's Nationalists, but they aren't in any way close to the numbers of the SNP and the push for independence isn't anywhere near as big so the Union isn't really under threat.

Where do you think the EU is going to get this "flood of cash" for Scotland from and do you seriously think the EU would jeopardise a healthy trading relationship with one of its biggest markets?
The SNP boil my bladder waste the way they are a one trick, one track party
 

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