Scottish Politics Thread

My point may have been too subtle. Let me explain.

We, as Scots, are different from everyone else and especially our southern neighbours. As such, only we can make decisions for ourselves if completely unfettered from things like Unions, as we are gifted with an internal brilliance that means that we will make fairer, gentler decisions than anyone else. We are by nature caring and compassionate not just to our fellow man (except for certain types who do not deserve it) but also to the environment we live in. This of course automatically applies to anyone born here but don't worry - if you exhibit the same thought process then you become one of us through a process known as Civic Nationalism, where you are welcomed by us with open arms.

Of course, if you do not exhibit these traits then you can only be English. Or possibly Israeli.

So whoever is dumping that gash, it cannot be a Scot.

Unless of course it turns out they we are not that different after all. But that cannot be right. Can it?
So in a nutshell what you're saying is "It's oor rubbish"?
 

Fang_Farrier

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If Highlands Council were serious about this route then they should set up a series of Dump Stations in the same way they have in NZ. There armed with your Dump station map, free from most garages, you can cruise about safely knowing where you can offload that and you grey water. It works very well in NZ and could work here.

They've closed a lot of the public toilets or installed payment systems. They have no intention of spending any money on such locations
 

CanteenCowboy

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My point may have been too subtle. Let me explain.

We, as Scots, are different from everyone else and especially our southern neighbours. As such, only we can make decisions for ourselves if completely unfettered from things like Unions, as we are gifted with an internal brilliance that means that we will make fairer, gentler decisions than anyone else. We are by nature caring and compassionate not just to our fellow man (except for certain types who do not deserve it) but also to the environment we live in. This of course automatically applies to anyone born here but don't worry - if you exhibit the same thought process then you become one of us through a process known as Civic Nationalism, where you are welcomed by us with open arms.

Of course, if you do not exhibit these traits then you can only be English. Or possibly Israeli.

So whoever is dumping that gash, it cannot be a Scot.

Unless of course it turns out they we are not that different after all. But that cannot be right. Can it?
If you visit this site you can see if we’re different from everyone else in the UK. Purely for your own peace of mind.

 

Dredd

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They've closed a lot of the public toilets or installed payment systems. They have no intention of spending any money on such locations
And this illustrates the obvious disparity between a natural and a man-made tourist attraction.

The latter is obviously commercialised and seeks to get a return on the investment. Those going to it understand that.

The former is by accident and not design. While it seems a good idea to "sell" it, there is a dichotomy involved where we have a scenery that is pure and natural, but if everyone descends on it then we have already lost a part of the initial charm. And because it was natural and not planned, there is no perceived need to be investing anything in it.

This initial flurry of attention on the coastal route has died down, the lack of facilities will be communicated to those thinking of doing the route and put many off, so an equilibrium will be found.

And those wo dump their waste will continue to do so, regardless of harshly worded signs, since they will not be held accountable for it in any way. Which will just ramp up local resentment of those yet to come and make them fell less welcome, which will be communicated to those thinking of coming and . . . . equilibrium will be found.

And the reputation of Scotland and especially the Highlands will be tarnished further. I grew up on one of the islands (quite misty) and I can tell you from experience that the locals have little but disdain for tourists. Which is much the same for any really touristy location really. They are seen as encumbrance rather than a boon.
 

Wordsmith

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Unfortunately you seem to have missed the whole point of their argument, although Scotland is not a sovereign nation or member of the EU in its own right, the SNP act as though it is. This means that the maximum political pressure, publicity and momentum can be exerted through their continued use of the independence “mandate” to increase both their support and the campaign that Scotland’s voice is being “ignored”. Truth has never been important in politics, what you can make people believe is the most important part of politics.
The Nats are about to run head on into BoJo - who is not going to be the walkover PMTM is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/12/no-second-independence-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-first-minister/
A second independence referendum should not be held while Nicola Sturgeon is First Minister or even during her lifetime, the Scottish Secretary has said as Boris Johnson prepares this week to formally reject her request for the legal powers.
IN PMQ's BoJo flat out accused the SNP of using IndryRef2 to divert attention from their failure to run the Scottish economy properly. That's a theme he's going to come back to regularly - and one the SNP are vulnerable on. I susect money is also going to flood into Labour former heartlands in the north to ensure they stay Tory. When the inevitable growth results, BoJo will be saying that's what a Try government at Holyrood could achieve for Scotland.

We'll be out of the EU in a few weeks - BoJo will be chopping tax and regulation, plus doing populist things like returning full control of Scottish fishing waters to the UK. Where things were EU controlled, I suspect they will return to being UK controlled, not SNP controlled - BoJo arguing that otherwise control will be fragmented. That also keeps powers out of the SNP's hands. And the more we diverge from the EU, the more powers the SNP would have to give up to the EU were they to achieve independence and rejoin.

Finally, BoJo is reportedly hiring an adviser as to how to strengthen the union (=fornicate the SNP).

The SNP have been denying economic and political gravity for years. BoJo knows time is on his side and will just stonewall SNP demands until they lose power in Scotland.

Wordsmith
 

tgo

Old-Salt
Devolution was such a great idea...

Parish councils for them, and that's what you end up with, hell the Irish couldn't be bothered to show for three years :p
Labour appear to have cocked up Wales with theirs.

The Scottish though... Well I can almost taste those salty tears of rage, that desperation is in plain sight now.
 
The Nats are about to run head on into BoJo - who is not going to be the walkover PMTM is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/12/no-second-independence-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-first-minister/


IN PMQ's BoJo flat out accused the SNP of using IndryRef2 to divert attention from their failure to run the Scottish economy properly. That's a theme he's going to come back to regularly - and one the SNP are vulnerable on. I susect money is also going to flood into Labour former heartlands in the north to ensure they stay Tory. When the inevitable growth results, BoJo will be saying that's what a Try government at Holyrood could achieve for Scotland.

We'll be out of the EU in a few weeks - BoJo will be chopping tax and regulation, plus doing populist things like returning full control of Scottish fishing waters to the UK. Where things were EU controlled, I suspect they will return to being UK controlled, not SNP controlled - BoJo arguing that otherwise control will be fragmented. That also keeps powers out of the SNP's hands. And the more we diverge from the EU, the more powers the SNP would have to give up to the EU were they to achieve independence and rejoin.

Finally, BoJo is reportedly hiring an adviser as to how to strengthen the union (=fornicate the SNP).

The SNP have been denying economic and political gravity for years. BoJo knows time is on his side and will just stonewall SNP demands until they lose power in Scotland.

Wordsmith
Fisheries is a devolved matter.
 
The Nats are about to run head on into BoJo - who is not going to be the walkover PMTM is.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/12/no-second-independence-referendum-nicola-sturgeon-first-minister/


IN PMQ's BoJo flat out accused the SNP of using IndryRef2 to divert attention from their failure to run the Scottish economy properly. That's a theme he's going to come back to regularly - and one the SNP are vulnerable on. I susect money is also going to flood into Labour former heartlands in the north to ensure they stay Tory. When the inevitable growth results, BoJo will be saying that's what a Try government at Holyrood could achieve for Scotland.

We'll be out of the EU in a few weeks - BoJo will be chopping tax and regulation, plus doing populist things like returning full control of Scottish fishing waters to the UK. Where things were EU controlled, I suspect they will return to being UK controlled, not SNP controlled - BoJo arguing that otherwise control will be fragmented. That also keeps powers out of the SNP's hands. And the more we diverge from the EU, the more powers the SNP would have to give up to the EU were they to achieve independence and rejoin.

Finally, BoJo is reportedly hiring an adviser as to how to strengthen the union (=fornicate the SNP).

The SNP have been denying economic and political gravity for years. BoJo knows time is on his side and will just stonewall SNP demands until they lose power in Scotland.

Wordsmith
As a Scot who is utterly sick of Sturgeons pish....I am overjoyed at this.
 

Wordsmith

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Fisheries is a devolved matter.
But the overall powers are being repatriated from the EU. I would not be surprised to see this revert to a Westminster responsibility. The SNP have been up in arms abut the possibility for months.

And UK wide control of fishing waters make sense - fish don't respect national boundaries. Plus its won't help if Scotland has a completely different set of conservation policies to the UK/Wales/NI.

Wordsmith
 

Fang_Farrier

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Fisheries is a devolved matter.
I was under the impression that it was slightly more complex than that.
For instance, negotiating with EU was done by UK not Scottish civil servants.
 

Dredd

LE
Fisheries is a devolved matter.
Notionally, as it only applies in certain practical areas. In terms of policy and strategy that (until the very near future) resides with the EU.

While it was part of the EU then it was a case of which master your reported to - Brussels. So if you are not in the EU, it contracts back to where it would have been before that - Westminster. For who sets the quotas?

Much howling and gnashing of teeth has been heard since that reality became clear and continues to screech into the night.

Be of no doubt - the SNP assertion is that they, as an independent sovereign nation, should have full control revert back to them as soon as we leave the EU, whilst ignoring the fact that it is not independent but it shares sovereignty which is where these deferred powers will now return. It is pleasing to see them squirm on this hook.

It is an excellent reminder to every Remainer separatist that their idols are stating we should immediately hand back these powers to a continental Parliament at the earliest opportunity, so we can have even less say in determining our own limits and direction than we will have once the relevant powers are returned to the UK.
 

Joker62

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I was under the impression that it was slightly more complex than that.
For instance, negotiating with EU was done by UK not Scottish civil servants.
That never stopped Wee Nickie from sticking her neb in!
 
While everyone’s quibbling over fish, the sound bites from Mr Blackford indicate that Boris has got no balls to prevent democracy SNP style

IndyRef2 is coming, brought to you by the Edinburgh Banker who may succeed Nicola if Eck strikes a plea bargain to avoid HMP Grampian
 

Fang_Farrier

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Correct, but to be a devolved matter it first has to be repatriated from Brussels to the UK. Once back under control of the UK it can be devolved to constituent parts of the UK.

Wasn't too difficult now was it?
Fishery Protection, monitoring of landing at ports are definitely devolved matters.

It's one of the more complex issues due to the EU UK interface in a devolved matter.

Farming is likewise. For instance although the UK negotiates the subsidies, they are distributed differently through out the UK by the different agricultural authorities.
 
While everyone’s quibbling over fish, the sound bites from Mr Blackford indicate that Boris has got no balls to prevent democracy SNP style

IndyRef2 is coming, brought to you by the Edinburgh Banker who may succeed Nicola if Eck strikes a plea bargain to avoid HMP Grampian
And you seriously think the great windbag has even seen his own balls for more than once in a generation before slyly commenting on the potentially missing ones for the PM?
 
Fishery Protection, monitoring of landing at ports are definitely devolved matters.

It's one of the more complex issues due to the EU UK interface in a devolved matter.

Farming is likewise. For instance although the UK negotiates the subsidies, they are distributed differently through out the UK by the different agricultural authorities.
Point out where I said it wasn't a devolved matter.

The Scottish Parliament can't have powers which are not written into UK Law whether the matter is devolved or not, even though we are imminently to leave the EU nothing has as yet been transferred from the EUs sticky fingers. Fishery Policy and Law first needs to become a UK matter again, how Fishing Policy is to be written into UK Law and then exactly what parts of UK Fishing Laws and Policy are a matter for the devolved constituent parts of the UK happens afterwards, no doubt after many a heated discussion and many cries of Westminster is robbing oor fish.
 

Auld-Yin

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Point out where I said it wasn't a devolved matter.

The Scottish Parliament can't have powers which are not written into UK Law whether the matter is devolved or not, even though we are imminently to leave the EU nothing has as yet been transferred from the EUs sticky fingers. Fishery Policy and Law first needs to become a UK matter again, how Fishing Policy is to be written into UK Law and then exactly what parts of UK Fishing Laws and Policy are a matter for the devolved constituent parts of the UK happens afterwards, no doubt after many a heated discussion and many cries of Westminster is robbing oor fish.
If the UK does not have the boats and crews to police the fishing grounds, how on earth does the Scottish government expect to do it?
 
If the UK does not have the boats and crews to police the fishing grounds, how on earth does the Scottish government expect to do it?
They will place buoys at a reasonable distance apart, fitted with a sound system playing out of tune (aren't they always) bagpipe music, which will be enough to scare anyone away who isn't an ardent SNP type twat.
 

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