Scottish Politics Thread

“Obviously” I’m wrong, because I was using the twisted logic that states that because only 45% of the Scottish electorate voted SNP, therefore Scots have rejected Sturgeon, whereas a massive 43% of the UK electorate have hoisted BoJo the Clown onto their collective shoulders and majestically carried him to 10 Downing Street.

Yeah, I see now where I went wrong.
again, turnout for this last election was fractionally down at 67.8 or so. Of the 43% of the vote that got Boris in32% of our electorate failed to vote and so have no gripe. A ballot unused counts for nothing. A point we keep hammering home. If Labour could not use that vote because the electorate failed to engage how can people keep blaming the winners. In this case not even the concept of STV could lure those who didn't vote. the Clown engaged and got the last laugh. Now who's the clown? Now when Scot elections? Next year is it? Colour me surprised if the Scots parliament mirrors WM in respect of SNP seats.
 
Looking on as a bystander, with no skin in the game so to speak. I was for brexit,and glad to see it going ahead. And I personally think the union as it is now is best for all the countries in it. Its amusing to see all the people who were jumping up and down, getting their panties in a bunch,shouting about 'the democratic will of the people. Pre GE. Now when it looks like the Scots might want independence suddenly changing their tune about the' Democratic will of the people'. Nowt as queer as folk...
 

Serpico

War Hero
The original NS in Germany did not preach racial superiority, that was inserted after it had been formed into the NSDAP with the Hitler crap. Easiest way to think of it is Communists v Socialists in various form. Social democratic is effectively Labour call it what you like.

And no she studied accountancy and worked in the German state Bank after her land duties. My Aunt and Uncle and Grandad were all called up, uncle and grandad served in Russia. Aunt was in the Luftwaffe as a telephonist.
Come on man, the original NS are a mere footnote in the history of that period. The Nazi's, for all their faults, did have many radical social policies that improved German's lives. But that doesn't make any social democrat party anything like the Nazi's.

Wow, interesting history mate. Land duties, that her RAD service? Props to your Opa and Onkel, Russia was some hard f*cking slog, which divisions did they serve in?

@Nimonic Who really is the dumb one, the man engaging in debate and holding views you dislike, or the man skulking about saying nothing and marking my every post as dumb?
 
Come on man, the original NS are a mere footnote in the history of that period. The Nazi's, for all their faults, did have many radical social policies that improved German's lives. But that doesn't make any social democrat party anything like the Nazi's. . . .
Keerist on a bike, chap! the only thing you missed from that lot is something about making the trains run on time . . .
 

Serpico

War Hero
Keerist on a bike, chap! the only thing you missed from that lot is something about making the trains run on time . . .
Haha come on bud. Just because they brutally murdered 11/12 million folk doesn't mean they weren't enacting social policies such as old age pensions, unemployment help, sickness benefit etc which most other European countries wouldn't have for 10/20 years or more. I'm no fan of the Nazi's but I am of their history.
 
again, turnout for this last election was fractionally down at 67.8 or so. Of the 43% of the vote that got Boris in32% of our electorate failed to vote and so have no gripe. A ballot unused counts for nothing. A point we keep hammering home. If Labour could not use that vote because the electorate failed to engage how can people keep blaming the winners. In this case not even the concept of STV could lure those who didn't vote. the Clown engaged and got the last laugh. Now who's the clown? Now when Scot elections? Next year is it? Colour me surprised if the Scots parliament mirrors WM in respect of SNP seats.
Given that the electoral system for the Scottish Parliament is fundamentally different from that for Westminster, making a comparison on the basis of seats won makes no sense. The only sensible comparison is on the proportion of votes.
The turnout in Scotland was over 70%, considerably higher than the UK as a whole, and in Scotland the SCU campaigned largely on the basis of denial of IndyRef2. They failed. The fact that the clown outshone Corbyn in England doesn’t really surprise anyone, but the choice there was between dumb and dumber.
 

Seadog

ADC
You know those "bullshit bingo" cards that do the rounds - has anyone ever produced one for every time a cult member is on the telly or wireless so we can score off the same old tiresome crap that they spout?

It would be interesting to see how consistent the message is.

At least it would make listening to Black or Blackford or Sturgeon more palatable. Fun, even.
Peepel of Scoatland
Rape clause
Santa Claus
Westminster
Toaries
Austerity
Food banks
Bairns with empty bellies
But not these two fat bastards.
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Chalkythedog

Old-Salt
So give the Scots their vote if that's what they want. They could have one every week for all it would affect the rest of the UK. If they vote leave it saves us billions in subsidy. If they don't, meh.
 
Haha come on bud. Just because they brutally murdered 11/12 million folk doesn't mean they weren't enacting social policies such as old age pensions, unemployment help, sickness benefit etc which most other European countries wouldn't have for 10/20 years or more. I'm no fan of the Nazi's but I am of their history.
I can see why you are such a big Scottish Nazi Party fan then
 
I do note, with interest, Sturgeons language It is all trying to convince Scottish people that it is the Conservatives (but always 'Tories') who are oppressing Scotland, not the UK govt (of which they are a part of).
All intended to inflame feelings towards Westminster. I'm just waiting for her to start calling it the English Parliament.
As others have said though, the SNP gained a lot of seats due to voters not wanting to vote for Labour but being damned if they were going to put their mark in the Conservative\Lib Dem box.
These are borrowed votes and at some point, they will get returned. I'm quietly hoping the SNP is blissfully unaware of this fact.
 
I think they do but just ignore it, Convo's i've had with indy supporters is the SNP is just a vehicle to get the independance then they will be binned, There's also the large scale SNP voter base that doesnt want to be part of the EU either so if indepenance does happe then Nippy is going to be a lonely and ignored person on the world stage and she wont be getting her Snr role in the EU that she craves.
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Was speaking to my MP today. Not my idea but he was sitting in the pew behind in Kirk.
He didn't actually think he was going to beat the SNP candidate and was pleasantly surprised when he did.
But probably not going to go through the process again as it was just too fraught and he's not sure where his party(LibDems) will be at by then.
 
Was speaking to my MP today. Not my idea but he was sitting in the pew behind in Kirk.
He didn't actually think he was going to beat the SNP candidate and was pleasantly surprised when he did.
But probably not going to go through the process again as it was just too fraught and he's not sure where his party(LibDems) will be at by then.
If Your talking to Him again, tell Him to hang in there.Labour is finished forever I'd say. There needs to be another centrist or at least left of the bullingdon boys party if the country is to have a properly functioning democracy,We need a properly functioning,and sensible opposition party. I suspect there will be new one formed at some point in the near future.
 
Was speaking to my MP today. Not my idea but he was sitting in the pew behind in Kirk.
He didn't actually think he was going to beat the SNP candidate and was pleasantly surprised when he did.
But probably not going to go through the process again as it was just too fraught and he's not sure where his party(LibDems) will be at by then.
Made his mark then. I hope he turns out to be a good constituency MP and looks after his electorate, that way whoever replaces him at least stands a chance.
 
A little didactic, though with some interesting viewpoints
So, for those who haven’t been following closely. Here is the strategy.

Get us out of the EU.

Don’t agree with the SNP about anything. Don’t give any legitimacy to their narrative and don’t think or talk about Scotland as being in any way separate.

Don’t think that another independence referendum and another nationalist defeat would make the SNP give up their dream of independence. It wouldn’t. It would fuel it. Didn’t you watch last time?

Give us time. Delay.

Leaving the EU will make the whole of the UK gradually diverge from our European neighbors. As they continue to unite, we will continue to be different. In time this will make the idea of rejoining seem quaint, then it will be impossible.Let us take back control of those massive chunks of ordinary life that the EU presently controls and then let the SNP explain that they are going to give them up in order to join a federal EU. Let them explain how keeping the pound is consistent with promising to give it up. Let them explain how an independent Scotland would start life both outside the UK and outside the EU having to negotiate trade deals with both.

That’s it.

Keep fighting folks. We are winning.

 
Looking on as a bystander, with no skin in the game so to speak. I was for brexit,and glad to see it going ahead. And I personally think the union as it is now is best for all the countries in it. Its amusing to see all the people who were jumping up and down, getting their panties in a bunch,shouting about 'the democratic will of the people. Pre GE. Now when it looks like the Scots might want independence suddenly changing their tune about the' Democratic will of the people'. Nowt as queer as folk...
No please, get that right. Since 2014 when the SNP where defeated in the referendum, Sturgeon and co have been continuously bleating about the democratic will of the Scottish people, this is nothing new, this hasn't recently happened because of the GE. The problem is here, anyone outside Scotland seems to think that because that wobble headed creature spouts on about it so much, that it must actually be the will of the Scottish people. It's not. It's really not.
Just like in 2014 when 55% of the Scottish people said no, the numbers are just about the same for saying no today. As Sturgeon herself said, she realises that many who voted for the SNP in the GE are not voting for independence. The results would be quite different in a vote for independence.

So, whenever you hear anyone in the SNP banging that drum about the will of the Scottish people, it's not the will of the Scottish people, it's the will of the SNP and the people that support them. The will of the majority of Scotland is to stay in the Union.
 

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