Scottish Politics Thread

Can I ask the gentlemen of the SNP support variety on this esteemed forum ( as you chaps seem to have a bit of sense about you unlike the standard blue faced, freedom screaming SNP supporter), on Wee Nippys behalf of course since all I seem to see on the telly box at the moment is Elsie Selfie banging the "mandate of the Scottish Peepul!" drum.......how on earth does 45% of the 68% turnout to vote equate to the people of Scotland speaking and demanding independence????
Also, to be fair, it's a moot point at the moment or at least for the next 5 years, as Boris has already to her no....again!

Good gods, if I'm like any other Scot, she's puir dayin ma heed in a'ready!
The 32% who didn't actually put pen to paper are the Silent Majority of True Scots, giving a true figure of 77% for Independence.

Plus having 81% of the Scottish seats in West<spit>minster adds an extra 4% growth since IndyRef 1.

ScotlandNvote Diff:- 31,298
4,053,140
67.3%​
--> 2,727,763
Nseats:
59​
59​
59 2,759,061
Party% Vote% SeatsN SeatsPR SeatsN Vote
Con
25.1%​
10%​
6​
15​
692,939
Lab
18.6%​
2%​
1​
11​
511,838
LD
9.5%​
7%​
4​
6​
263,417
SNP
45.0%​
81%​
48​
26​
1,242,380
GRN
1.0%​
0%​
0​
1​
28,122
BRX
0.5%​
0%​
0​
0​
13,243
OTH
0.1%​
0.0%​
0​
0​
3,819

(any counterargument about only having 45% of the vote can be safely ignored due to English interference in Scottish politics by allowing non-SNP candidates)
 

Truxx

LE
Technically, you are correct. Nobody votes for anybody or anything other than their particular MP.

Practically, people vote for the Party or, in certain cases, the person, and not necessarily the best person to represent their constituency. (Who was it who originally said "you could put a red rosette on a pig and they'd vote for it"?)

There can be little doubt that perceptions of Boris and Jeremy played major parts in people's decisions as to who to vote for. Imagine the outcome if the same manifestos had been in place but, say, May and Milliband had been the faces of their respective parties?

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As I'm sure you understood, the comment was made in the context of people thinking, or not thinking, that Boris is a clown and the validity of using the GE results to validate either opinion.
I know.

As it happens I actually voted for my candidate who I think shows great promise.
 
As it happens I actually voted for my candidate who I think shows great promise.
I was considering adopting the classic British approach of supporting the underdog (I live in a safe SNP seat). But, even with that sad, bearded little face, I still couldn't bring myself to vote for Jeremy (by proxy, you understand).
 

Serpico

War Hero
Well I for one disagree. My mum was a "Hun" as you put it, Lived in Perthshire and supported the SNP back in the 90's. I had a mega row with her one day when I pointed out that the concept of self determination was all well and good, but what did it actually mean?
Her, the People get the vote.
Me, The people have the vote
Her, London listens to the people outside London
Me Ditto for the English and the Welsh etc-so where's the issue of self determination leave us?
Her People here want to do as they please
Me People everywhere want to do as they please- again where does leave self determination?
Hiatus
Look mum, We had National socialism in Germany, we didn't support that
Hiatus
Her we didn't support dictatorship
Me, We still got it-so what will you get here-localised parochialism.
Bless her- Dad had just died and she wanted a cause......
Incidentally I met Swinney at an SNP do up at Moulin. I didn't agree with him then and I don't now
Interesting post mate, but why mention National Socialism? And tbf yous did support it enthusiastically. I just feel a government which is focused fully on Scotland will serve the people better than they are being now.

How did you find Swinney? He looks a decent chap
 

Truxx

LE
I was considering adopting the classic British approach of supporting the underdog (I live in a safe SNP seat). But, even with that sad, bearded little face, I still couldn't bring myself to vote for Jeremy (by proxy, you understand).
Demonstrating clearly that voting is a personal thing, our system is based on voting (or not) for those candidates in one's constituency and statements such as "people voted for Boris" are technically incorrect.
 

Serpico

War Hero
I was considering adopting the classic British approach of supporting the underdog (I live in a safe SNP seat). But, even with that sad, bearded little face, I still couldn't bring myself to vote for Jeremy (by proxy, you understand).
I voted Labour/Blair a couple of times, but despite now also living in a safe SNP seat, they always get my support.

Don't trust my guy tbh, big beardy Chris Law with the ponytail, ken the boy that sits beside the leader in parliament so he's always on TV haha
 
Interesting post mate, but why mention National Socialism? And tbf yous did support it enthusiastically. I just feel a government which is focused fully on Scotland will serve the people better than they are being now.

How did you find Swinney? He looks a decent chap
I'm not saying he isn't, he's affable enough, but it was a Political shindig which mum was invited to as an activist and I went along. ISTR that he came over to mum and asked if I was proud of what she'd achieved and I responded that she was her own person and we didn't necessarily agree. Mum was very good at getting the cogitative juices going in combative argument.

I'm sure probably Corbyn is much the same. It when you get to grips with their reasoning, which is largely sour grapes or victimhood. I go back to this thing that UK is essentially a Scottish construct therefore Scotland must control. This denies the majority elsewhere on the basis that they're wrong and don't matter. ISTR it was about 98 or thereabouts when they'd had the devolution bill and were celebrating. I told Swinney quite politely that I believed that it was blind alley, they'd been conned by Labour and I was proved correct. Mum didn't like that but then she and I had a fairly thorny relationship-respectful but thorny and I pointed out that she had always brought me up to speak my mind.
 
Interesting post mate, but why mention National Socialism? And tbf yous did support it enthusiastically. I just feel a government which is focused fully on Scotland will serve the people better than they are being now.

How did you find Swinney? He looks a decent chap
Because as I told you Mum was German, she was born in 1926- and actually I see very little difference between SNP and early NS.
ETA deduct the early Hitler shit-which was later hijacked.
 
Demonstrating clearly that voting is a personal thing, our system is based on voting (or not) for those candidates in one's constituency and statements such as "people voted for Boris" are technically incorrect.
Unfortunately, that technicality is often not the dominant consideration in the minds of many voters. Regardless of the factual position, I know few people who vote for a candidate as opposed to a Party. Furthermore, in normal discourse, a party is often personified by its leader or other dominant figures.

 

Truxx

LE
That would be interesting to see, although I doubt you could seperate expats from the voting by proxy figures
I thing that there is no chance with any sort of accuracy. An interesting conundrum nontheless: to what extent could "Scottish" sentiment regarding independence be gauged outside Scotland?
 

Serpico

War Hero
Because as I told you Mum was German, she was born in 1926- and actually I see very little difference between SNP and early NS.
ETA deduct the early Hitler shit-which was later hijacked.
Aye I was aware your family lived thru all that, very interesting and your mum sounds like a very smart and switched on lass. I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree with your statement, other than the Nazi's pursuing social policies in the early stages. I'm proud and happy to have a Social Democratic govt. looking out for me.

I fail to see where the SNP is promoting the idea of Scottish racial superiority, I cannot see where the SNP are hunting down political opponents or singling out racial groups for a cheeky wee bit of Sonderbehandlung in the near future, and I cannot say when I have ever heard the SNP promoting a stab in the back legend resulting in an increasingly militarised Scotland whose people are convinced it is them versus an inferior world.

Guess she was just old enough to do some mad job for a teenage girl, was she a FlaKhelferin during the war?

A Greater Scotland? Looking to England for Lebensraum? Come on tae f*ck man, I joke about it but that's all it is. We just want to look after ourselves, SNP policy is not and will never be focused on conquering the world and holocausting entire races
 
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Give Nicola her referendum. A minimum count of fifty one per cent of the total registered electorate required for a valid vote for independence. All Scottish citizens living elsewhere in the UK and EU allowed to vote. 16 year old allowed to vote.

If rejected, nae further Independence referenduz fur at least 51 years, nae campaigning fur independence, nae mano-fecking-festos, nae mare debates aboot indi-fecking- pendence, nae mare marchez, nae mare protests, in fact, nae feck all aboot ra matter what so fecking ever........shooshst.
 
Give Nicola her referendum. A minimum count of fifty one per cent of the total registered electorate required for a valid vote for independence. All Scottish citizens living elsewhere in the UK and EU allowed to vote. 16 year old allowed to vote.

If rejected, nae further Independence referenduz fur at least 51 years, nae campaigning fur independence, nae mano-fecking-festos, nae mare debates aboot indi-fecking- pendence, nae mare marchez, nae mare protests, in fact, nae feck all aboot ra matter what so fecking ever........shooshst.
 
Aye I was aware your family lived thru all that, very interesting and your mum sounds like a very smart and switched on lass. I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree with your statement, other than the Nazi's pursuing social policies in the early stages. I'm proud and happy to have a Social Democratic govt. looking out for me.

I fail to see where the SNP is promoting the idea of Scottish racial superiority, I cannot see where the SNP are hunting down political opponents or singling out racial groups for a cheeky wee bit of Sonderbehandlung in the near future, and I cannot say when I have ever heard the SNP promoting a stab in the back legend resulting in an increasingly militarised Scotland whose people are convinced it is them versus an inferior world.

Guess she was just old enough to do some mad job for a teenage girl, was she a FlaKhelferin during the war?

A Greater Scotland? Looking to England for Lebensraum? Come on tae f*ck man, I joke about it but that's all it is. We just want to look after ourselves, SNP policy is not and will never be focused on conquering the world and holocausting entire races
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