Scottish Independence - Thoughts?

#3
Unfortunately, the Bravehearts supporters will never see reason and will keep yapping on and on against all reasoned debate.
I live in a small village in the Borders and the question never comes up.
 
#4
I agree with you two, we can't be allowed to go independent.

We have one thing in our favour, and thats north sea oil. That in turn can be summed up in two words; Dwindling Resource.

We'd be a small country with a population of just over 5 million... we'd become a country with a voice as loud as someone quiet :)?:)


I for one won't be voting for it
 
#5
braveheart said:
Brown has 'warned' that if Scots vote for independence, it'll be harmful to the UK.
If Scotland was independent, there'd be no need for Scots like Gordon Brown, Tony Bliar, John Reid, Adam Ingram, Michael Martin, Swiss Des Browne, Alastair Darling, Eric Joyce and George Galloway, all of whom are extremely harmful to the UK, to venture south of the border. Nutters like Alex Salmond or Peter Dow would be, presumably, happy, so we would not be subjected to their raving drivel.

Apart from that, it's an absurd idea.
 
#6
Gosh , this has never ever been done to death on Arrse ever has it.
 
#9
Speaking as a very proud Scot, I just can not see how Total Independence from the rest of the UK can be made to work.

What would Scotland depend on? Tourism?

The financial hit that the Scottish tourist industry took after the Lockerbie bombing and after 9/11 shows that the income from that can only be counted on to a point. And a very vulnerable, fluctuating point at that.

As somebody else has pointed out, North Sea oil? Dwindling resource. There are supposed to be some large oil and gas reserves in the North Atlantic, but the costs, and logistics, in exploiting them seem pretty prohibitive.

Forgot the Fishing Industry. Scottish fishermen have been shafted by Westminster and Brussels for decades and are becoming a rapidly dying breed.

Heavy Industry? Hardly have any at all nowadays. And what we do have, the remnants of shipbulding on the Clyde comes to mind, is subject to fierce competition from any number of global competitors.

Independence would probably mean being subject, forever more, to handouts from England, ie Westminster and the EU, Brussels. I can see taxation shooting through the roof to try and sustain government expenditure.

Also there are other lingering questions that would remain to be resolved. Would we become a Republic as the SNP seem to crave? Or remain a Monarchy, such as Australia and Canada have become, with a Governor General?

What about the large number of English people who have moved to Scotland in recent times? They have fully integrated into, what I suppose you could call, Scottish society. Would they become dispossessed? Foreigners in what will become, to them, a foreign land. Or will they become instant citizens of an Independent Scotland?

Just a few points, I have listed, above. But I utterly fail to see how an independent Scotland can survive, despite the Nationalist rhetoric you hear from the likes of Alec Salmond and the SNP.

This doesn't even start to take in to account the fact that the supply of drunken Jakeys from Dundee, Glasgow and Edinburgh would dry up. And English cities would no longer have anyone lying in their gutters chuntering insanely on Saturday and Sunday early mornings. :D
 

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#10
braveheart said:
Brown has 'warned' that if Scots vote for independence, it'll be harmful to the UK.

What do you think?

Link to BBC
He means it will be harmful to Brown. He would never be PM if Scotland was indepent either there or in England!! Self interest me thinks!!!
 
#11
Done to death this one, please let's not go down the road of Braveheart (the movie) and cullodin again please!!!!

Why, in an ever integrating Europe, would you want to move from a large country with some clout to a insignificant nation?
 
#12
Sad to see that the only reasons the Scots here advance in support of the Union is that Scotland cannot survive on its own and should continue leeching off England. Speaking as a London-based English taxpayer I hope Scotland does become independent. I don't see why an independent Scotland would be any less viable as a nation than similar-sized nations such as Ireland or Denmark.
 
#13
As a London based Scot paying English taxes, I don't want to see an independent Scotland as it will weaken GB in europe.
I also don't like the idea of having to go through passport control just to go home to see the family. This is smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that the politico's should be trying to reduce unemployment, increasing the NHS, Crime etc.
 
#14
Mr_Creosote said:
Speaking as a very proud Scot, I just can not see how Total Independence from the rest of the UK can be made to work.
What would Scotland depend on? Tourism? :D
Continue to export deep fried mars bars, buckie and Irn-Bru.
 
#15
the_matelot said:
Mr_Creosote said:
Speaking as a very proud Scot, I just can not see how Total Independence from the rest of the UK can be made to work.
What would Scotland depend on? Tourism? :D
Continue to export deep fried mars bars, buckie and Irn-Bru.
There is only so much sugar rich food you can export before every ones teeth fall out :D
 
#16
An independent Scotland would survive and be as successful as, say, an independent Ireland - who are not doing too bad.
 
#17
braveheart said:
I agree with you two, we can't be allowed to go independent.

We have one thing in our favour, and thats north sea oil. That in turn can be summed up in two words; Dwindling Resource.

We'd be a small country with a population of just over 5 million... we'd become a country with a voice as loud as someone quiet :)?:)


I for one won't be voting for it

One small problem with the north sea oil!! Its not yours!!

Its in international waters and belongs to the company that gets it out the water, and as for putting a tax on it when it gets to Aberdeen then all the companies will do is build a new pipe line down south as all England will do is say it can be pumped there for free because we sneaky like that! As for a dwindling resourse i work in the oil and gas industry and there are new fields being discovered all the time and new technology means we can exploit the old fields further.

I am english and have lived in Scotland on and off for 15 years and lets be honest you might not like it but you better off within the UK. Before you start I'm not anti Scotland just a realist.

Whiskey, Haggis and tourism won't pay for a countries running!
 
#18
Busterdog said:
An independent Scotland would survive and be as successful as, say, an independent Ireland - who are not doing too bad.
It would be nice to think so, until you see the third-raters in the Scottish Parliament. Intellect? Not a lot. Fit to govern? Not a chance. The high fliers know that they can make more loot working out of London than Glasgow, and the unreconstructed Commies are still harbouring dreams of a Socialist Workers' Paradise (tm).

It's a toss-up between a First Minister who is so scared of the media it's not true, and a Deputy First Minister who was so unbelievably stupid to think that he wouldn't get caught fiddling his expenses (just like a former First Minister, or a leader of the Conservative group).

Add to that the Nats who don't realise that you actually have to have a plan for "after independence" rather than saying "we'll work it out when we get there" (kind of worrying that you can write the detail of their Defence and Foreign Policy on a side of A4).

The only one I've got any time for is Wendy Alexander...

Better to contribute positively to a decent economic "mass" that is the UK, than to be yet another Estonia or Ireland.
 
#19
Gravelbelly said:
Add to that the Nats who don't realise that you actually have to have a plan for "after independence" rather than saying "we'll work it out when we get there" (kind of worrying that you can write the detail of their Defence and Foreign Policy on a side of A4).
The horrible thing is that their lack of a a plan for "after independence" almost mimics the US/UK strategy for Iraq! I'd put in a LOL face, but it isn't funny.
 
#20
ViroBono said:
If Scotland was independent, there'd be no need for Scots like Gordon Brown, Tony Bliar, John Reid, Adam Ingram, Michael Martin, Swiss Des Browne, Alastair Darling, Eric Joyce and George Galloway, all of whom are extremely harmful to the UK, to venture south of the border.
No harmful Scots tories?
 

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