Scotland v Tories - save the Scottish Regiments round 2

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#2
Oh where to begin... I'll start with the army exists to provide a relavent capability in the defence of the realm and the projection of force to proctect the realm's interests abroad. Keeping cap badges and old-boys drinking clubs intact should be ranked only just above sucking up to potentially hostile dictators.

Then there is the argument that with less than 10% of the UK's total population, why should the oatmeal ethnics provide (supposedly) 1 in 6 of the infantry and an equally sizeable contribution to the RAC, and pressumably their fair share of manpower in the various corps too... Even with substantial back-fill from the ex-pat Surrey Highlanders and Commonwealth recruits anecdotes indicate they are still struggling to fill posts. Cuts have to be made. Common sense (before the political lobby of the regimental associations gets involved) says the cuts should fall on those that are struggling to recruit. Although equally common sense would suggest a radical root-and-branch reform of the army's structure might be a worthwhile aim too.
 
#3
From what I gather, man people are proud to join the Rifles. Why not work on building the same esprit de corps with a new Scottish Regiment?
 
#5
Despite the spin from all sides and some of the reporting, neither "cap badges" or "old-boys drinking clubs" have anything whatsoever to do with the issue of reductions to the infantry.
 
#6
Not having a Facebook account I was unable post in the comments section of that article and tell all those highly motivated Scots, all of them mad keen for the skirl of the pipes and the swing of the kilt, that the simplest and best way to preserve their regiments is to f*cking well join them. Something the average ginger-headed, Buckfast-swilling, "Fitba" fanatic in Leith, Stirling, Perth and Aberdeen has on the whole been loathe to do for quite some time now.
The Scottish regiments got away with it for far too long, remaining largely un-amalgamated long after virtually all English, Irish and Welsh regiments bit the bullet, and significantly undermanned for much of that time as well.

I'm as big a fan of the Regimental system as the next man and my own mob saw name changes, reductions and amalgamations but just took it on the chin and looked forwards, making a resounding success of all these changes. Tough titty for the Jocks I'm afraid
 
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Something the average ginger-headed, Buckfast-swilling, "Fitba" fanatic in Leith, Stirling, Perth and Aberdeen has on the whole been loathe to do for quite some time now..
Heaven's above, I'm so glad that you found it within yourself not to mention Milngavie in amongst that lot, otherwise you would have forced the chaps to find out where you live and to come round to one's council flat and kick one's **** in, you loud mouthed English gnyaff.
 
#8
Heaven's above, I'm so glad that you found it within yourself not to mention Milngavie in amongst that lot, otherwise you would have forced the chaps to find out where you live and to come round to one's council flat and kick one's **** in, you loud mouthed English gnyaff.
Well you've not actually addressed any of the points I've made in your rush to anger but to paraphrase Ali G:

"Is it because I is right?"

Are the Scottish battalions well recruited now? Have they not been under recruited for many many years? Reality check eh?

(I've never heard of Minlgavie by the way and I just pulled those places out of thin air, there's no significance to them other than that they're towns in Scotland)
 

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#9
Forbye the issues of the Scottish regiments, I am drawn more to the title of the thread - Scotland v Tories!

What makes that so ironic is the fact that following the recent council elections, several local authorities have joint pacts with Labour & Tory just to keep out the SNP. It is great whenever a hard-nosed red in East Lothian goes on about the Tories I just have to point out that their precious Labour party have gone running to the Tories to back them up.

It is just a pity that most of the people around here would not recognise irony if it bit them in the arrse!
 
#10
Shocked, why?
 
#12
If the Scots want an excuse for independence then this is it. I am shocked that thee are these plans.
Why?

Rumour has it that 5 bns may be chopped. We could easily lose one from t Scottish, Kings, Queens, Prince of Wales and Rifles Divisons, good equal division of pain (excluding the Paras, Guards, Gurkhas and Royal Irish).

As said i the cav thread. The head shed just publish the recruiting figures for the last 5 - 10 years, and start at the bottom. Which ever is the worst recruited bn goes first, then up the chain until we lost enough. These 'keep the x regiment' campagnes are never around to bolster recruiting to said regiment are tey?
 
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Is Isnath Garth Banks?

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[/h] 9:38 AM on 17/5/2012

If the Scots want an excuse for independence then this is it. I am shocked that thee are these plans.

Losing one Bn from 5 is hardly devestating, especially seeing as other regiments will also be losing Bns up and down the country. I find it distasteful that they have wheeled out hte familys of wounded or killed soldiers to add emotional 'weight' to their stand. Including Rose Gentle, yet again.
 
#16
I just hope the poor woman doesn't suffer herself from all this malarky...

A damning show on their recruiting though, I seem to recall that the Scots recruiters were driving to the houses of pot recruits at one point, in an effort to increase the chances of getting someone in to the Regiments.
 

Trans-sane

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#17
Despite the spin from all sides and some of the reporting, neither "cap badges" or "old-boys drinking clubs" have anything whatsoever to do with the issue of reductions to the infantry.
But it DOES seem to have an awful fecking lot to do with the hot air generated and the noise of bumping of gums and the gnashing of teeth. And the attendant column inches in the Mail/Express/Telegraph etc. In fact in the RAC sub-forum (hallowed ground I very rarely tread) there is a thread running about an email and Facebook campaign by some chopper connected with the QDG about the fact that there may be a merger or disbandment on the cards. The lanmguage and arguments are pretty much identical, i.e. long on suprious crap about history and local connections and VERY short on facts regarding tactical and strategic requirements, budget constraints and modern demographics.
 
#18
Why?

Rumour has it that 5 bns may be chopped. We could easily lose one from t Scottish, Kings, Queens, Prince of Wales and Rifles Divisons, good equal division of pain (excluding the Paras, Guards, Gurkhas and Royal Irish).

As said i the cav thread. The head shed just publish the recruiting figures for the last 5 - 10 years, and start at the bottom. Which ever is the worst recruited bn goes first, then up the chain until we lost enough. These 'keep the x regiment' campagnes are never around to bolster recruiting to said regiment are tey?
Why not deal with the strategic issue and stop trying to fight the tactical battle, or put another way ignore the symptoms and get on with the cause etc etc.

As a previous post mentioned the Rifles got it right (I am not one of them), the rest of the infantry got it wrong. If the size changes the dynamic, change the dynamic. Do I need to rehash the historical numbers to names to numbers argument? The capbadge and recruiting argument is being used to distort the real issue: recruiting numbers don't matter if they are filling numbers not names.

Lets leave emotion at the door and let logic rule - I seem to remember fighting my WR down a dusty street being the only capbadge of the Bn in the vehicle; it didn't stop us looking out for each other and kicking shit out of the enemy. Heresy maybe, but I actually have a lot of mates from different capbadges.....

You fight for the man (and increasingly, it would seem, woman) left and right of you. the old capbadge is nice, but not essential. The jocks are using the capbadge to try and defend the number of Bns. Move ahead of that argument and it becomes nugatory.
 
#19
If we do need 5 Bns could we tell the Jocks to offer up one bn or we'll chop the lot?

It could make for an interesting debate north of the border. Probably end up in a scene simialr to that bit in aliens where they kill one just to use its acidic blood to cut through floor.
 
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Well you've not actually addressed any of the points I've made in your rush to anger but to paraphrase Ali G:

"Is it because I is right?"

Are the Scottish battalions well recruited now? Have they not been under recruited for many many years? Reality check eh?

(I've never heard of Minlgavie by the way and I just pulled those places out of thin air, there's no significance to them other than that they're towns in Scotland)

Reality check? Mate, I'm taking the piss. Give your head a wobble. As for your points however, well they sort of lost all meaning when you took it upon yourself to insult the Scots. Don't tell me though..that was your attempt at humour? Reality check? You bellend.
 

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