Scotish Independence and its effect on our Armed Forces

#1
Sitting here at work a thought crossed my mind. IF independence were to be granted to Scotland what effect would it have on our Armed Forces?

Would all the Scots in our Forces be given the choice of continuing to serve in the British Army or would they automaticaly be transferred to the new Scottish Army?

Would Scotland actually raise its own Armed Forces or would the British Armed Forces still be responsible for its protection?

It would be interesting to hear peoples views on the subject....
 
#4
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.
 
#5
I know its never going to happen but I was just putting it out there as a "What If....?" scenario

What if Scotland was granted full Independence but with certain conditions attached such as the British Army remaining under the full control of Westminster. What would happen if we got involved in another Iraq or Afghanistan scenario which Westminster supported but Scotland opposed?
 

Sixty

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#6
EX_STAB said:
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.

Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
 
#7
Sixty said:
Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
What, a Warrior and a pack of ORP?

To be fair, if it did happen, then the Scots would have to fund an Army from scratch, I can't imagine the Army letting any of its assets fall to a foreign power.

It won't happen anyway.
 
#8
Sixty said:
EX_STAB said:
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.

Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
But would we want them or rather want to afford them? As our military intervention policy would not be as one of the Big 5, I doubt it.

Happy to see a small standing Army with staff positions at NATO as other minor countries do.
 
#9
Praetorian said:
Sixty said:
Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
What, a Warrior and a pack of ORP?

To be fair, if it did happen, then the Scots would have to fund an Army from scratch, I can't imagine the Army letting any of its assets fall to a foreign power.

It won't happen anyway.
It would be required to by law.

Although I think you may be right about the likelihood of it happening if Westminster Labour plays smart in its funding
 

Sixty

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#10
in_the_cheapseats said:
Sixty said:
EX_STAB said:
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.

Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
But would we want them or rather want to afford them? As our military intervention policy would not be as one of the Big 5, I doubt it.

Happy to see a small standing Army with staff positions at NATO as other minor countries do.

That's the SNP position at the moment I believe but equipped with our share of the UK assets.

And getting shot of Trident as well which I'm assuming you'd want back Prae.
 
#11
Sixty said:
EX_STAB said:
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.

Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
Five if you like. What does a 9% of an aircraft carrier look like? The SNP would be keen to see the Nuclear subs go of course.

9% of the British Army would amount to 9900.
The regular army of Ireland has 8,500 personnel[4] (plus a reserve army of 13,000) according to Wiki so much as I suggested.

Five million people is not a lot (tax wise) to maintain expensive assets such as Fast jets with so those would probably be grounded fairly soon.
 
#12
Sixty said:
in_the_cheapseats said:
Sixty said:
EX_STAB said:
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.

Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
But would we want them or rather want to afford them? As our military intervention policy would not be as one of the Big 5, I doubt it.

Happy to see a small standing Army with staff positions at NATO as other minor countries do.

That's the SNP position at the moment I believe but equipped with our share of the UK assets.

And getting shot of Trident as well which I'm assuming you'd want back Prae.
What on earth are they going to do with everything they get then? They wouldn't be needed. Sell it off quick for a fast buck?
 

Sixty

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#13
EX_STAB said:
Sixty said:
EX_STAB said:
Won't happen. If it did, Scotland would be able to afford an "Army" about the size of Ireland's.

Remember, there are 60 (+) million people in the UK and only 4 million of them live in Scotland. That's not a very big pool of people and businesses to raise tax from.

Five million, not four. And we would have a nine percent share of existing UK military assets.
Five if you like. What does a 9% of an aircraft carrier look like? The SNP would be keen to see the Nuclear subs go of course.

9% of the British Army would amount to 9900.
The regular army of Ireland has 8,500 personnel[4] (plus a reserve army of 13,000) according to Wiki so much as I suggested.

Five million people is not a lot (tax wise) to maintain expensive assets such as Fast jets with so those would probably be grounded fairly soon.
The asset share figure doesn't include soldiers. They, being individuals, can serve wherever they wish.
 

Sixty

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
#14
In fact, if you can be arsed, the proposals are here at 5.4.2

It's remarkably dull reading.

However, I'm heading out for dinner this evening so it'll have to do.
 
#15
Hmm, bit light on substance the SNP Manifesto:

civilian support personnel employed in Scotland at Independence will have the opportunity to remain in the Scottish MoD or Scottish civil service.
Nothing however on what happens to individual service personnel.

So, hypothetically speaking, its all a bit hypothetical.

Pay_Mistri
 
#16
In a spirit of pure enquiry, where did this 9% asset share come from?

By my maths I can't get it any higher than 8.3%...
 
#17
I do like this point...

The historic regiments of Scotland are being destroyed through amalgamation and downsizing; an independent Scotland will redress this.
Where are they going to get the money to pay for this?
 
#19
Majorpain said:
I do like this point...

The historic regiments of Scotland are being destroyed through amalgamation and downsizing; an independent Scotland will redress this.
Where are they going to get the money to pay for this?
or the troops for that matter?

these historic regiments were downsizing because no fcker was joining them
 
#20
usmarox said:
In a spirit of pure enquiry, where did this 9% asset share come from?

By my maths I can't get it any higher than 8.3%...
And more to the point why does anyone thing Scotland will be entitled to it, it will be down to the British Parliament to decide what if anything Scotland can have. Mr Salmond can say he will have all the oil and 9% of the assets but that is just wishful thinking :) :) :)
 

Similar threads


Latest Threads

Top