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Schoolgirls Heading for Syria

For once I agree with the Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition *snigger*. This woman deserves assistance from the British authorities, but at the very most and nothing more than to deliver her and her son (if little Jarrah is indeed hers) from Syria to Bangladesh where she can claim lawful citizenship and/or asylum for them both, in which case the diplomats and functionaries tasked with this delicate and potentially fatal mission will be selected from:-

a) the ranks of 'specialist international immigration lawyers' such as her current apologists on the Law Society Roll,

b) known Corbynistas within the Foreign Office, the Department of Works and Pensions, the BBC, Sky News, ITN News and Bethnal Green Council.

c) Virtue signallers such as Lily Allen, St. Bob of Geldorf and Bonio, plus Dianne Abbott Vince Cable and not forgetting for one moment Jezza himself.

There is absolutely no duty nor need nor merit on our part in endangering the lives of our special forces, other military personnel or decent diplomatic staff to rescue the foreign ingrate.

OZ
Let the tv journalists, who have fallen over themselves to highlight her deserved plight, compete with each other to get her out and continue with their role of making the news with an exclusive where the **** can we take her? A new TV reality show 'She's a liability - Get her out of here!'
 
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The BBC has brilliant timing. The play this afternoon was Kafkaesque and I listened in full as I trundled up the motorway. I wonder if we have always been "nudged" into feeling and thinking in "correct" ways or is it just that the process is more professional these days. It certainly changed my mind! Bring her home! She's a human being! What's wrong with us? Here's a link and a description of the propaga ..... play for the Yet To Be Persuaded.

"A World Elsewhere: The Return By Clara Glynn

Rida, a Glasgow Asian teenager, was radicalised on the internet and travelled to Syria. Now eighteen months later she has returned and been arrested at Glasgow Airport. This drama explores what happens to Rida next. Will she be charged? Will she receive a custodial sentence? Whatever happens how will she deal with the past and what kind of future can she expect?"

Drama - A World Elsewhere: The Return - BBC Sounds
 
Pedant mode on,

As a member of the Commonwealth, Bangladesh does not have a UK ambassador, but a High Commissioner.

Pedant mode off.

perhaps that's why there's this disagreement between Westminster and...er...Dhaka*. He said get in touch with the Ambassador & obviously nobody could find one

*I never though the Paris - Dhaka rally was that long ;-)
 
Perhaps the law does need changing.

let's be pragmatic, she's going to come back here eventually.

she's admitted to joining a terrorist organisation and that the actions of the aforementioned organisation were acceptable.

so there's the guilt bit sorted.

automatic life sentence, parole when we believe she 's not a danger. Which can be assessed by national referendum, requiring 90% acceptance from a electorate of at least 80% of the country.

in the mean time I hear Gruinard island is lovely. It's even got the same name as the newspaper so beloved by her supporters.
 
Corbyn has actually accused the Home Secretary of “extreme behaviour”. So HM Government is a fair cop, yet, I don’t believe he has ever used that sort of language when discussing his terrorist chums. He truly is a reptile.
 
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I'm not sure that that's a completely unequivocal fact - at the moment. If the UK gov can definitively show that at least one of them was not a British citizen (in 2000) then we will be getting somewhere.
Here is the Bangladeshi law on the subject, the Citizenship Act 1951.
Citizenship Act, 1951 (Act No. II of 1951).

Here is the specific section, Section 5 Citizenship by Descent.
5. Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth:
Provided that if the father or mother] of such person is a citizen of Bangladesh by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of Bangladesh by virtue of this section unless-
(a) that person's birth having occurred in a country outside Bangladesh the birth is registered at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country, or where there is no Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country at the prescribed Consulate or Mission or at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in the country nearest to that country; or
(b) that person's father or mother] is, at the time of the birth, in the service of any Government in Bangladesh.



So, the question is whether either of Begum's parents were citizens of Bangladesh when she was born. Given that both were immigrants from Bangladeshi and the uncle and grandmother were Bangladeshi, I'd say there is a strong chance that the parents were Bangladeshi by birth registration (i.e. not by descent only).

The question of adopting British Nationality has been raised to say that they would have lost Bangladeshi nationality. This is not the case. Whilst Bangladesh does not allow citizens to be dual citizens of all countries, it does so in the case of the UK, amongst other countries.
Dual Citizenship Bangladesh

The specific wording runs as follows:
Bangladesh permits dual citizenship under limited circumstances. Citizens of USA, UK Australia, Canada and Europe of Bangladeshi origin may apply for a Dual Nationality Certificate. This certificate makes it legal to possess a Bangladeshi passport in addition to a foreign passport.


Bangladesh can try to disown her all it wants, but its own laws make her a Bangladesh citizen.
 
Pedant mode on,

As a member of the Commonwealth, Bangladesh does not have a UK ambassador, but a High Commissioner.

Pedant mode off.
Whatever, they have still said she can feck off before she even thinks of going to Bangladesh. Good for them I say.
As for the terrorist baby mother, I think we all know that she will be back here in the near future, debriefed and set free to claim all and sundry and living in a nice housing association flat or house.
 
A lot of people are objecting to the decision to deprive Begum of her British citizenship. But aiui it's not the first such case, so not sure why they're making such a big deal out of Begum, flashing the race card in one or two cases and going against the vox pop. The choice is law and security, or condone violence and murder, they can't have it both ways.

There should not be one rule for one; the home secretary has exercised his powers for good reason; good for him. Begum seems to have made herself and her position crystal clear.

Perhaps someone qualified could confirm that the home secretary's decision is backed by law; the Nationality Act 1981, conduct not conducive to the public good, appears to cover it. I don't know.

Begum seems to have the right to appeal, but again aiui - under certain conditions "deprivation of citizenship is permissible even if the person would be left stateless". Moreover, this is an overdue hardline example to all the others thinking they can run off to support daesh, expecting to stroll back in to soft touch Britain when it goes tits up.
 
Here is the Bangladeshi law on the subject, the Citizenship Act 1951.
Citizenship Act, 1951 (Act No. II of 1951).

Here is the specific section, Section 5 Citizenship by Descent.
5. Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth:
Provided that if the father or mother] of such person is a citizen of Bangladesh by descent only, that person shall not be a citizen of Bangladesh by virtue of this section unless-
(a) that person's birth having occurred in a country outside Bangladesh the birth is registered at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country, or where there is no Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in that country at the prescribed Consulate or Mission or at a Bangladesh Consulate or Mission in the country nearest to that country; or
(b) that person's father or mother] is, at the time of the birth, in the service of any Government in Bangladesh.



So, the question is whether either of Begum's parents were citizens of Bangladesh when she was born. Given that both were immigrants from Bangladeshi and the uncle and grandmother were Bangladeshi, I'd say there is a strong chance that the parents were Bangladeshi by birth registration (i.e. not by descent only).

The question of adopting British Nationality has been raised to say that they would have lost Bangladeshi nationality. This is not the case. Whilst Bangladesh does not allow citizens to be dual citizens of all countries, it does so in the case of the UK, amongst other countries.
Dual Citizenship Bangladesh

The specific wording runs as follows:
Bangladesh permits dual citizenship under limited circumstances. Citizens of USA, UK Australia, Canada and Europe of Bangladeshi origin may apply for a Dual Nationality Certificate. This certificate makes it legal to possess a Bangladeshi passport in addition to a foreign passport.


Bangladesh can try to disown her all it wants, but its own laws make her a Bangladesh citizen.

Thanks, I'm aware of all that. It doesn't mean that either parent have ever actually applied for the DNC though. I think it is quite unlikely. The lack of a DNC is possibly the reason that the Bangladeshi gov have denied the existence of SBs own dual nationality.

The situation can be somewhat resolved by the UK gov publishing the details of what passport and visa the parents arrived in the UK on and what Indefinite Leave to Remain applications have been made and when granted since then, and which family members have applied for and been granted British citizenship. This is also unlikely to happen.

And, given the number of Begum's that live in Tower Hamlets*, I do hope that some clerk hasn't fished out the wrong family details for consideration.

* e.g. there were 3 baby girls, all called Shamima Begum, born just in 2000 and registered in Tower Hamlets. The number of Shamima Begums born in recent years in Tower Hamlets? Well, I stopped counting at 50.
 
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