Schoolgirls Heading for Syria

Methinks she’s telling porkies. Given the spectacular success of her parenting skills, I strongly suspect she was distracted on other activities.
You are charitable. I doubt these children really existed.
 
I missed it , any chance you could elaborate?
About 0630 on r4 this morning.

basically the awarding of legal aid doesn't take into account the stitching into suicide vests and acting as the fashion police.

Serious matter - yes.
Can't afford a lawyer - yes.
Case has 'merit' - ? Apparently so.

Current citizen nationality - irrelevant. That will be decided.
Good person or not - irrelevant. That will be decided.

Her lawyers must be running their hands with glee. I'm pretty sure that two firms were asking for legal aid but only one was accepted. Apparently she's not even asking for the aid personally.

Although lawyers have not been able to speak to her in the refugee camp, the LAA has apparently accepted that her family can initiate an appeal and apply for funding on her behalf. In an extraordinary twist, two law firms applied for the cash on her behalf, with one claiming it had instructions through a third party, but the LAA agreed to grant the funding only to lawyers instructed by her family.
Shamima Begum is on legal aid despite being stripped of UK citizenship | Daily Mail Online

Personally, i think legal aid needs a little risk adding to it. Ie the lawyers get legal aid but should be required to shoulder some of the financial risk. Say 50% upfront and 50% on success? No win, no pay.

She will probably receive her citizenship back. And in due course be lavishly rewarded on her eventual return.

a couple of years down the road she'll be involved with inviting violence because surveillance was unaffordable.
 
You are charitable. I doubt these children really existed.
At a guess.

To be a good woman in isiland having kids was expected. I believe that the child care and schooling provision for young lads was second to none. Plenty of scope for female care and religious study too.

Showed you were doing the right thing by your husband (recently deceased or not) and providing future fighters. And not too far into the future at that.

Three for three isn't a bad record in that area. She's 19. Got another 10 in her at least, if she pulls her finger out and finds another husband with alacrity.
 
I definitely saw a face amongst those rags in the photos, but only once.
Dolly. Teeny Tiny Tears or Cabbage Patch. It never moved.
 
About 0630 on r4 this morning.

basically the awarding of legal aid doesn't take into account the stitching into suicide vests and acting as the fashion police.

Serious matter - yes.
Can't afford a lawyer - yes.
Case has 'merit' - ? Apparently so.

Current citizen nationality - irrelevant. That will be decided.
Good person or not - irrelevant. That will be decided.

Her lawyers must be running their hands with glee. I'm pretty sure that two firms were asking for legal aid but only one was accepted. Apparently she's not even asking for the aid personally.



Shamima Begum is on legal aid despite being stripped of UK citizenship | Daily Mail Online

Personally, i think legal aid needs a little risk adding to it. Ie the lawyers get legal aid but should be required to shoulder some of the financial risk. Say 50% upfront and 50% on success? No win, no pay.

She will probably receive her citizenship back. And in due course be lavishly rewarded on her eventual return.

a couple of years down the road she'll be involved with inviting violence because surveillance was unaffordable.
Many thanks
 
She's just pissed off she's inconsequential.

https://ctc.usma.edu/british-hacker...ief-terror-cybercoach-profile-junaid-hussain/

Junaid Hussain was worth an air strike. She's just a nothing from East London who tried to find self-importance within DAESH and is a bit lost now that has all come tumbling down.

Leave her to the people she used to lecture on Islamist purity.

Or better still the "sabi's' raped by the Kinght's of the Caliphate.

I've a bleak nature, and it is not often I get actually disgusted. But if you want a proper bleak read, plough through this report.

A series of ISIL “markets” appeared online and on phone conversation applications such as Telegram and Signal, with names like “Caliphate’s Market”, “The Great Mall of the Islamic State”, “Souk Okaz” and “al-Muwahhideen market”. These markets allowed ISIL fighters to request to buy or sell anything from cars to weapons, as well as women and children.
https://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/irak723angweb.pdf

She didn't know all that was going on?

 
Just been on LBC, the father of one of the RMPs killed in Iraq. He wants to know why his son had little ammunition and no sat phone etc.

Battle of Majar al-Kabir - Wikipedia

He couldn't get legal aid.
At risk of descending into hyperbole, might it be because he didn't have a 'crusading' lawyer with the ambition to attack the fabric of this country? His son was an oppressor, innit?

It shows how screwed the system can be. It also shows how cynical and nasty some people are, and how endlessly gullible yet others are.

But, let's see what happens.
 
Just been on LBC, the father of one of the RMPs killed in Iraq. He wants to know why his son had little ammunition and no sat phone etc.

Battle of Majar al-Kabir - Wikipedia

He couldn't get legal aid.
those three questions again.

Serious matter?
Can't afford a lawyer?
Case has 'merit'?

I'm hoping his rejection is based on him being able to afford a lawyer... Probably if he sells everything he owns and taking out a loan secured on his kidneys.
 
@aHappyTeddyBear

Yes, if you scroll up you will see I posted the Telegraph article.

The Hisb was the religious police of DAESH, and it sounds like she cut around lecturing others on Islamic morality.

There's a comparible scandal breaking in Germany with a returned foreign bride, who might not be entirely "just the wife" she makes out.


Be careful browsing the comments, I see some people have uploaded beheading pictures. We tend to know DAESH were bestial, goreporn is uncalled for.

I think one of the most unpleasant things I remember is watch as UK Islamist talk about "why your wife should accept you are allowed sabi".

Sabi is the term they adopted for "slave companions". Or rape victims as a normal human being would call them. I linked a report about the whole sorry mess a couple of posts up.
 
Have you seen the latest gossip about her? She was apparently a member of some religious armed police unit in IS.
Posted several times up-thread.

It's an eye witness report so it's not clear at all if true or not.
What better than an eye-witness account, or several, as distinct from hearsay?

If the government knew about this then they would probably have mentioned it during the furore
Or be keeping their powder dry in case of a legal challenge, maybe?

Despite our collective gibbering on here, our intelligence services are actually a bit good.
 
@aHappyTeddyBear

Yes, if you scroll up you will see I posted the Telegraph article.

The Hisb was the religious police of DAESH, and it sounds like she cut around lecturing others on Islamic morality.

There's a comparible scandal breaking in Germany with a returned foreign bride, who might not be entirely "just the wife" she makes out.


Be careful browsing the comments, I see some people have uploaded beheading pictures. We tend to know DAESH were bestial, goreporn is uncalled for.

I think one of the most unpleasant things I remember is watch as UK Islamist talk about "why your wife should accept you are allowed sabi".

Sabi is the term they adopted for "slave companions". Or rape victims as a normal human being would call them. I linked a report about the whole sorry mess a couple of posts up.
The only people I'd believe were innocent and just humble wives/shop keeps are the poor f*ckers who were living quite peacefully until the isishit cretins turned up,including europeans.

If you've spent all that effort to move continent i doubt you're happy with a minor role. Probably a little more committed to the cause, and you've got to prove it.
 
The only people I'd believe were innocent and just humble wives/shop keeps are the poor f*ckers who were living quite peacefully until the isishit cretins turned up,including europeans.

If you've spent all that effort to move continent i doubt you're happy with a minor role. Probably a little more committed to the cause, and you've got to prove it.
Precisely this. You didn't make all that effort just to sit there humbly watching.
 
Personally, i think legal aid needs a little risk adding to it. Ie the lawyers get legal aid but should be required to shoulder some of the financial risk. Say 50% upfront and 50% on success? No win, no pay.
Seeing as how the CPS only brings cases when there's a "realistic prospect of conviction" (ie a better than 50/50 chance of conviction) who's going to want to take on a legal aid case?
 
Personally, i think legal aid needs a little risk adding to it. Ie the lawyers get legal aid but should be required to shoulder some of the financial risk. Say 50% upfront and 50% on success? No win, no pay.
Irrespective of the specifics of the situation in question Legal Aid should not be subject to any limitations of the type you suggest, in fact I'd like to see the budget hugely expanded, because otherwise you get the situation where your access to justice is entireley dependent on your finances. If you genuinely believe the leeches lawyers would not find some way of passing their costs on to the defendant or the taxpayer then I have a bridge for sale that may interest you.

I also cannot help but think the current stuation is entirely correct for legal challenge, regardless of the people involved. The Home Secretary stripped citizenship from someone as a populist knee jerk to make himself look good for the forthcoming Tory Leadership challenge. Whatever she is accused of that is a massive step without judicial review and sets a very dangerous precedent. It's an old cliche but Human rights apply to everyone, not just the people we like, and if we allow this to go without being challenged then eventually it will be abused.
Remember David Blunkett's anti terror laws that he promised would never ever be used for anything other than suspected Terrorists of the worst type and within 6 months councils were using the same legislation to allow them to monitor how full your rubbish bins were.
 
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Selected quotations from the article:

Miss Begum, whose discovery in a refugee camp in northern Syria in February sparked a public outcry, said she concentrated on bringing up the couple's children. They subsequently died of malnutrition.
. . .
Miss Begum and Riedijk moved from Raqqa to Deir Ezzor in early 2017 just as the city was coming under assault from Western-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), and while she was pregnant with their first child.
It was after the birth that she was said to have transferred from the Hisba to the women’s “military police”, remaining with them, Mr Kheder said, “until the end”.
. . .
She begged the British authorities to rescue her from the refugee camp in northern Syria where she has gave birth to her third child, Jarrah, who later died from a lung infection.
Seems she has a terminal attention deficit disorder. Literally.
 

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