School leavers: cant read/write/have attitude problem

#1
Who dares say such a terrible thing? Do they not know of the astounding progress in education under Labour??

Well, one of the biggest employers of them: Lucy Neville-Rolf, Tesco executive director of corporate and legal affairs.

"....schools were drowning in red tape amid “growing questions” about how exams are conducted.
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""They (students) don't seem to understand the importance of a tidy appearance and have problems with timekeeping," she will say in a speech to the Institute of Grocery Distribution's conference on skills.

“Some seem to think that the world owes them a living. The truth is that a certain humility and an ability to work hard are important for success.

“More broadly, a society where people don't feel the need to work to gain material possessions will not be a stable or successful society."



Well, welcome to just one more aspect of the toxic Nu-Labour client state legacy, Lucy.

But oddly enough:

"Ministers and teaching unions have dismissed such attacks in the past, arguing that standards have never been higher. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...read-or-write-and-have-attitude-problems.html
 
#2
Who do you believe, Ministers and teaching unions? spit, spit, .............. or Lucy?
What's Sven/Whet and all the other apologists/useful idiots take on this?
 
#3
exile1 said:
Who do you believe, Ministers and teaching unions? spit, spit, .............. or Lucy?
What's Sven/Whet and all the other apologists/useful idiots take on this?
:eek: You mean you don't have faith in Comrade Balls, Minister of Indoctrination?
 
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#4
It is not the children's fault, it is those who are in control and command of them!
Undisciplined teacher = Undisciplined pupil.
When i was at school we were punched, slapped, beaten and generally humiliated, but i tell you one thing, it shaped us up well to the realities of the real world fast!
Today teachers are not allowed to do this sort of thing or they face being locked up with everything else that entails!
Today, i here stories about teachers on drugs and having affairs\sex on the school premises, and we wonder why school leavers have problems!
 
#5
ALVIN said:
It is not the children's fault, it is those who are in control and command of them!
Undisciplined teacher = Undisciplined pupil.
When i was at school we were punched, slapped, beaten and generally humiliated, but i tell you one thing, it shaped us up well to the realities of the real world fast!
Today teachers are not allowed to do this sort of thing or they face being locked up with everything else that entails!
Today, i here stories about teachers on drugs and having affairs\sex on the school premises, and we wonder why school leavers have problems!
Corporal punishment isn't necessarily the answer. There are schools where standards in the real world have risen, while there are many where they've gone to hell. It all depends on the way they're run- a school with a "modern" headteacher who goes for all the up-to-date methods will produce scrotes. An old-fashioned headteacher who inspires while maintaining basic discipline will produce smart (in dress and intelligence) kids.
 
#6
ALVIN said:
It is not the children's fault, it is those who are in control and command of them!
Undisciplined teacher = Undisciplined pupil.
When i was at school we were punched, slapped, beaten and generally humiliated, but i tell you one thing, it shaped us up well to the realities of the real world fast!
Today teachers are not allowed to do this sort of thing or they face being locked up with everything else that entails!
Today, i here stories about teachers on drugs and having affairs\sex on the school premises, and we wonder why school leavers have problems!
Might have been better off teaching you some English instead of just beating the shit out of you though. :p
 
#7
We have got a 2nd generation of feral kids attending school.
If they get no guidance, love from home why should it be left to schools to pick up the pieces.
The social experiment of the past 25 years have failed, children know their rights but not their responsibilities.
Bring back corporal punishment, proper detention and have parents sign a contract with the school when their little cherub starts; outline what their behaviour, decorum, dress code et al should be.
 
#8
Although I could read, write & do maths when I left school, I feel that was really the only skills I have needed in life. Most of the lessons were filled with bullsh!t like, how to make a pizza, or a cake, playing with a bunsen burner which funnily enough I aint done since, and dray a picture. Also, make a box out of wood, play fcukin rounders, tennis, basketball, TAG rugby, french? why the fcuk did I need sit there for 2 hours per week just to say "Je me rends!" surely we should grasp English before attempting another language.


I think education should be filled with core subjects like Maths, English, History, Basic Science (we aint all going to be become scientists are we ffs), & PE. Also, if my old lady did not show me, I would not have had a clue how to work a washing machine, open a bank account, pay a bill, setup a DD etc... all things that are essential to life. I also underachieved due to going with the bad crowd, no choice really, 5 years of hell or be a cnut and fit in, I made the wrong choice, but my kids will not.
 

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#9
They are molly - coddled into thinking they can achieve anything, regardless of how stupid or spacker needs they are. I hear that writing essays in 'txt speak' is acceptable in Schools and sixth form colleges now. Well, despite the propaganda from the Ministry of Disinformation, students are not all 'A*******' winners. It is now just that more easy to research how to ace your tests on the internet. And the tutors virtually walk the pupils through the exams now anyway.

Balls is Cyclops' long - time Igor. So of course its jobs for the communists...er, boys. And girls. As in his wife. Doesn't mean they have the first clue what they are doing of course. But thats politics, eh?
 
#10
She may have a point, but remember, she is a paid-up gobshite cünt who will take anybodies shilling

http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/?lid=254

Tesco's Company Secretary and Director of Group Corporate Affairs, Lucy Neville-Rolfe, is a fascinating example of 'revolving doors' between industry and government. At Tesco, her responsibilities include government, EU and competition issues, investor relations, communications, community affairs and corporate affairs policy for the international business in 10 countries. She reports directly to Terry Leahy.

Neville-Rolfe’s external appointments include business lobby groups, NGOs and government committees such as the CBI Europe Committee, UNICE Task Force on Enlargement and the boards of EuroCommerce and the British Retail Consortium. She also sits on a 'work and enterprise' panel for The Work Foundation and is on the advisory committee for the Economic and Social Research Council 'Cultures of Consumption' project. Another advisory role is sitting on the President's committee of London First, which Tesco also sponsors.17 She has been a-appointed to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office Management Board,18 as well as to the Deputy Prime Ministers' Local Government funding committee, which is looking into better ways of funding council services19, further crossing the line between influencing the government and being the government.

Neville-Rolfe joined Tesco from the Cabinet Office in 1997. She was formerly Director of the Cabinet Office Deregulation Unit under Michael Heseltine and later with Lord Chris Haskins who transformed it under New Labour. With Haskins, she wrote 'Is there a future for European Farming?' (2002) for the Foreign Policy Centre (see 'Relations with Suppliers and Farmers' section).

From 1992 to 1994 she was a member of the Prime Minister’s Policy Unit where her responsibilities included home and legal affairs and public sector reform. From 1973 to 1992 she worked at the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food on EU and countryside issues and was Private Secretary to the late Rt Hon John Silkin MP. From 1991 to 1992, she was non-executive director of construction firm, J. Laing Plc.

Covering both bases (Labour and Tory) she spoke at the Conservative Party conference in 2003.
 
#11
Perhaps as a nation we should start to ask if we could learn from other countries? The Tories are talking about Sweden, but IMO that's less to do with educating children and more to do with an idealogical commitment to marketisation of anything that doesn't run away quickly enough.

Speaking as someone who sees the final product of national education systems on a regular basis, I have to say that very few of the ones which routinely punt out disciplined, knowledgeable and capable people have even the slightest hint of the market about them.
 
#12
carlbcfc said:
Although I could read, write & do maths when I left school, I feel that was really the only skills I have needed in life. Most of the lessons were filled with bullsh!t like, how to make a pizza, or a cake, playing with a bunsen burner which funnily enough I aint done since, and dray a picture. Also, make a box out of wood, play fcukin rounders, tennis, basketball, TAG rugby, french? why the fcuk did I need sit there for 2 hours per week just to say "Je me rends!" surely we should grasp English before attempting another language.


I think education should be filled with core subjects like Maths, English, History, Basic Science (we aint all going to be become scientists are we ffs), & PE. Also, if my old lady did not show me, I would not have had a clue how to work a washing machine, open a bank account, pay a bill, setup a DD etc... all things that are essential to life. I also underachieved due to going with the bad crowd, no choice really, 5 years of hell or be a cnut and fit in, I made the wrong choice, but my kids will not.
I think you are confusing 'education' with 'skills'
 
#13
Perhaps as a nation we shouldn't just take the word of industry lobbyists and fat cats that education is failing and our kids are a write-off. The fault is not just with education. Industry has also failed to make work pay, training is poor and career advancement sometimes non-existent.

Its Tesco's for fucks sake. Its the kind of shite job you just have to fcuk to death, because they are fcuking you too!
 
#15
I was at school around 40/50 years ago. I can spell, write, count and generally hold a conversation with anyone. I can work things out for myself, I do not need to hold anyone's hand, I can get by under my own steam. I did not go to university but rather college.

My children, both uni-educated to Masters degree level, are the same as me. They can get by in the world without the help of others. Those of their age (mid-30s) are generally in the same boat. Their children are being brought up in households in which the parents show love and caring.

OK, when I was at school, a slap in the back of the head or a piece of chalk flung at Mach 3 by the teacher tended to concentrate the mind. And did I go home and complain that my human rights had been offended? Did I fukk! I knew that my dad would continue the punishment so I tended to behave.

IMHO, bring back corporal punishment and for the parents who raise these little fukk-wits, attendance on a course to learn about parenthood. If they didn't attend then their benefits would be curtailed.

No doubt one or two do-gooders will say that by restricting the benefits, the children will be penalised. AND?

(Checked for spelling and grammar before submitting!) :oops:
 
#16
I lectured for 3 and a bit years at a college, teaching HND level students, some of whom were at college, paid for by Labour. When marking final exams etc we were clearly told to pass those particular students, because if the pass rate dropped amoungst funded students, the college would lose funding next term!

Also, as a lecturer, my performance was based on the amount of students I passed. If we had a really bad year, then by default, the pass standard was dropped to keep up a 95%+ pass rate for the lecturers.

Every damn figure was manipulated to show better results than what were really achived. For example, class size at start of term, 30, always had at least 5 drop out through the term, then another few would not be put forward for exams, and thus a 100% pass mark even though only 20 of the original 30 had sat the exam. Really it should have been a 66% pass mark.
 
#17
walt_of_the_walts said:
Perhaps as a nation we shouldn't just take the word of industry lobbyists and fat cats that education is failing and our kids are a write-off.
Alright then. I am not an industry lobbyist, am not a fat cat & don't write off all the nation's children.

However, having done a lot of recruitment work for a gobal financial services firm I would say it is self evident that standards have declined, & not just under Labour.

I would be approached at recruitment events by people who rejoiced that they were at You-neee, yet had appalling personal presentation & a complete lack of personal skills or ability to communicate.

These poor devils had been suckered into the idea that because they were going to get a degree they would then get a Graduate job. Some had absolutely no idea what it was I was recruiting for & their aspirations were that they were to become "a manijuh, innit".
 
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#18
2/51 said:
I lectured for 3 and a bit years at a college, teaching HND level students, some of whom were at college, paid for by Labour. When marking final exams etc we were clearly told to pass those particular students, because if the pass rate dropped amoungst funded students, the college would lose funding next term!

Also, as a lecturer, my performance was based on the amount of students I passed. If we had a really bad year, then by default, the pass standard was dropped to keep up a 95%+ pass rate for the lecturers.

Every damn figure was manipulated to show better results than what were really achived. For example, class size at start of term, 30, always had at least 5 drop out through the term, then another few would not be put forward for exams, and thus a 100% pass mark even though only 20 of the original 30 had sat the exam. Really it should have been a 66% pass mark.
"2/51" You have just exposed the fact that mass corruption exists in the British Education system!
Thank You for your honesty.
 
#19
What a massive generalisation! A total insult to all those kids (like mine) who work bloody hard at school and achieve excellent grades (despite coming from a 'broken' home). There are plenty of other kids out there, from normal working class backgrounds, who are on science and maths fast-tracks, sitting GCSE's early and STILL managing to maintain a life outside school. My oldest 2 can be as 'chavvy' as the next child when they're on FB or texting their mates, but their school work in no way reflects that.
Typical of this country at the moment to tar all teenagers with the chavtard brush!
 
#20
carlbcfc said:
Also, make a box out of wood, ...... french? why the fcuk did I need sit there for 2 hours per week just to say "Je me rends!" surely we should grasp English before attempting another language.
First point - you can't go far wrong in life if you can make a box out of wood. A big box will provide you with shelter and a smaller one will be useful for carrying away your loot from shoplifting and/or burglary. Also makes a first rate weapon in a post pub pi$$ed punch up (as you can see, they still taught alliteration when I was at school).

Second point - Mrs AM taught languages. She described the absolute futility of trying to teach foreign languages to kids who lacked even Primary School levels of literacy. It's like trying to teach bricks to swim.

She also described the growing indiscipline but not just among chavs. She had one kid whose dad was a struck off solicitor. He had taught his son to recite bits of the Human Rights Act verbatim every time any teacher tried to discipline him for anything. "Keeping me in at break time is a violation of Section XXX because my brother's in the playground and you're denying my right to family life" etc etc etc.

Shamefully, the headmaster failed to enlighten the lad about the importance of evidence by leaving no marks on the little sh1t after beating the cr@p out of him with a sock filled with oranges.
 
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