School Cadet Forces at a Comprehensive Near You?

#1
The BBC has just reported on a story about the cadet administrations wanting to introduce school CCF units to state schools.

No link (unless you want to watch the Six o Clock News).
 
#4
Why not give the stupidly large amount of money they are spending on the three cadet forces that already recruit from state schools. oh wait sorry forgott that would be sensible.
 
#5
I hope this proposal would not change recruitment policy for detachments that currently meet at comprehensives. My ACF detachment met, and still meets, in the grounds of the school up the road from where I lived in the 80's, but it was open to anyone and not a school based CCF. My parents sent me to a catholic comprehensive on the other side of the city. If this had been a school based detachment I wouldn't have been able to bike to parade or have the opportunity to make friends with the lads and lasses in my neighbourhood.
 
#6
More bullsh!t the ACF have had Det's in local comprehensives for years, my County had at least three that I know of in Cleveland and had plans for more and that was back in 1995.
 
#8
#9
Had a good giggle at the way they were wearing the Clansman earpiece headband...
 
#11
instinct said:
More cadets is not a bad thing. Wasting money on duplication like they are planning is.
There wouldn't necessarily be duplication if it was handled sensibly. Is there any suggestion in the proposals that they'd spend money starting units in areas where there already are contingents?
 
#12
vvaannmmaann said:
Is this what I saw this morning?
Some kids in civvies,with some kids in green,firing catapults,and crawling under invisible barbed wire?
Are you sure that wasn't an ATR?
 
#13
If the gubmint are hoping that encouraging teenagers to join the CCF will somehow make them more disciplined, then boy are they in for a shock, a big one. I have been involved with the SCC for quite a while now and everytime I happen to meet or have anything to do with the CCF I am shocked at how undisciplined they are. As a group I wonder how they manage to find their way to scran as their heads are usually so far up their own a&$^es. That by the way is aimed at the staff as well as the CCF cadets.

Surely putting more funding into the three main stream Cadet forces and encouraging teenagers to join them would be more sensible than pushing them into an organisation that is based in grammar schools and aims to provide the "Orcifer class" for the services.

The teaching unions have expressed concern about recruiting into the services from the CCF, thats a laugh. IIRC the amount of CCF cadets entering the forces is very low compared to the other cadet forces. Ninja may be able to throw some better figures into the pot though.

Another good idea totally screwed by a government who is looking to try and correct a discipline problem that was started generations ago when the loony fluffy right on people started to get a voice.

And breathe
 
#14
If we keep talking about the three cadet forces, the booty cadets are going to throw their ipods at us :)

I can see the points made about the CCF, but I wonder if a) there's a way of making them a bit less clueless and b) whether being a CCF cadet is better than not being a cadet at all?
 
#15
_Artemis_ said:
If we keep talking about the three cadet forces, the booty cadets are going to throw their ipods at us :)

I can see the points made about the CCF, but I wonder if a) there's a way of making them a bit less clueless and b) whether being a CCF cadet is better than not being a cadet at all?
The Booties cadets are a part of the SCC just as Big Booties are part of the Andrew (where's me tin hat)

You do have a valid point though, maybe it is better to have teenagers having something constructive to put their time to, no matter who the training is delivered by.
 

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#16
This came to light first as a result of the 'Armed Forces recognition' study led by Quentin Davies MP (Ex-Tory, now LAbour, and a junior Defence Minister at that).

Despite all protestations from the single Services, and the Cadet Forces themselves, about the difference between ACF/SCC/ATC and the CCFs, Gorgon Brown is insistent that there be more CCFs in State Schools.

It is being done purely for old-fashioned reasons of 'class warfare' and socialism, and has not got the slightest thing to do with making the Cadet Forces better overall. As noted earlier in this thread, if you just gave more money to the Units that already exist.....

There have been lots of comments, and almost commitments, from Mr B (who is personally very involved in this) but as yet - NO NEW MONEY.

I would say the same thing if it were a Tory Gubbmint doing it (possibly for opposite 'class war' reasons!) but that's the situation. Bugger the already well-established ACF/SCC/ATC, let's have more CCFs, cos that's what posh kids have.

Simple as that, I'm afraid.
 
#17
scouse_scribes said:
_Artemis_ said:
If we keep talking about the three cadet forces, the booty cadets are going to throw their ipods at us :)

I can see the points made about the CCF, but I wonder if a) there's a way of making them a bit less clueless and b) whether being a CCF cadet is better than not being a cadet at all?
The Booties cadets are a part of the SCC just as Big Booties are part of the Andrew (where's me tin hat)
Hmm - they've got a separate logo though...
 
#18
_Artemis_ said:
scouse_scribes said:
_Artemis_ said:
If we keep talking about the three cadet forces, the booty cadets are going to throw their ipods at us :)

I can see the points made about the CCF, but I wonder if a) there's a way of making them a bit less clueless and b) whether being a CCF cadet is better than not being a cadet at all?
The Booties cadets are a part of the SCC just as Big Booties are part of the Andrew (where's me tin hat)
Hmm - they've got a separate logo though...
Just so they don't get a strop on :D
 
#19
Scouse - a tantruming marine cadet? *shudder* Let them have their own logo then :D

OldSnowy said:
It is being done purely for old-fashioned reasons of 'class warfare' and socialism
Grounds for that? Hard to see that it's class-ist if the CCF contingents are going to be in state schools.

[quote="OldSnowy]...has not got the slightest thing to do with making the Cadet Forces better overall. As noted earlier in this thread, if you just gave more money to the Units that already exist.....[/quote]

Just throwing more money at existing units won't necessarily help, for two reasons.

1) If there's an area that does not have a local detatchment, it's sometimes bloody hard to set one up from scratch simply for staffing reasons, and money won't help. You'd also have to potentially spend a LOT of money on new buildings. However, if you utilise staff at schools (who may be willing to run a detachment on Wednesday afternoons rather than teach double maths, but who wouldn't spend 2 nights a week staffing a normal cadet unit), this problem vanishes. You also get to use school buildings rather than having to rent, build or modernise.

2) Sometimes you can do all of the recruitment drives you want and you STILL won't reach all of the kids who could benefit from being cadets. They won't come along because they haven't heard about cadets, have heard but don't really understand what an opportunity it can be, parents don't want them to spend the time in the evenings going along or can't be bothered to take them, etc etc. But if there's a detachment right there in school, and they can go along rather than doing a normal lesson - heck, you might just get them to come along.
 
#20
I wouldn't mind getting a little bit of this money thrown at my detachment, since our local drill hall closed approximatly 10 years ago the detachment I am staffing at the moment has been through at least 5 different locations, not withstanding the MoD promise that all groups that used the drill hall would be housed in suitable accomodation before closing, we got 2 weeks notice and then had to move to a working mens club FFS.

Currently we are in a community centre that is right in the middle of the biggest asian area in town with constant threats of eviction, (council funding has been reduced etc) and the obvious difficulty recruiting from the local area, traditionally we were one of the best recruited detachments in the county and I feel sure that if we can offer the full syllabus then we would be better recruited than we are now, we do ok but it could be better.

That could be done for the cost of a detachment hut (approx 80K) we already have an offer of land on a long term lease, but the grown ups seem less than interested, i suspect it would cost a sight more than 80K to start an equip a CCF detachment when we are already doing the job.
 

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