Scamming the state and the possibility of being caught.

Dek Finlay

Old-Salt
It's under 2k. They don't really start to take it seriously unless it's around 6k. The vast majority of people who get investigated do so because they get grassed up or inadvertently admit it at some point. The DWP likes to float around the idea they have eyes in the e-sky everywhere mind you.
They haven’t got a clue unless it’s in the tax system or on your bank statements. Get it to **** on some business transaction that’ll take you under the threshold. If millionaires are asking for help with their fulcking airlines then Joe Bloggs trying to keep a business afloat for comparative pennies is nothing.
 
Well you're helping with alternative reality based advice. Have a Guardian column.
 
When my mum got divorced she put her savings into an ISA she couldnt touch for some thing like 15 years. Over the years as she's a pensioner she applied for housing benefit or some such, which she got, she didnt declare her ISA, whether that was deliberate or just a mistake I dont know. Eventually she got found out. No idea how, she didnt live a frivolous lifestyle and no one knew about her ISA.
She got charged and had to go to court, but as she had paid back everything she owed, she only got a £700 fine, but it's still a criminal record.
I dont know how they find out, but they do and I'm pretty positive that anyone who tries to push their luck during this crisis will get well and trluy fucked. I'd be careful.
Aye, claimed the rock and roll briefly in the 90's and took some agency work. As a callow youth, I took the advice of my dad not to sign off. Eventually, in defiance of the old man, I did. However, they were in like Flynn, and I had to pay back a ton.

The agency were largely paper-based, so it was a good bit of detective work.
Sounds like complete bollocks.
I had a poll tax bill 4 years after I'd Moved from Jockistan to London--- I'd paid final when I moved in Oct 91-- it was council.--- They have not a clue. Other folk were now living there

PS-- Not forgetting the 2 second class brown envelopes-- my wife and me owed-- 2 p each
 
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The people who deserve to get scammed are the Chinese-state-owned companies. AFAIK, the virus came from a Chinese laboratory, and they covered it up. Don't feel bad about taking back what is yours.
 
You’d be surprised at just how much they can find out about you from the comfort of their office. I’d stick to the straight and narrow otherwise it’s got a very good chance of coming back to bite you.
 
What's the betting at the end of this the likes of Sir Philip, Sir Richard and Sir Stellios will have been paid out in full by HMG and will sitting in their tax haven boltholes enjoying trebles all round whilst thousands of small businessmen/women will have gone to the wall?.
You know if I was a conspiracy theorist, and of course I am not, I would see this COVID-19 reaction as the coming of all their Christmases for those in the state and academia who have always hated the self-employed, entrepreneurs, property owners and small businessmen, the sort of people who don't like being told what to do by the state and who, apparently are to blame for all the problems of the world from homelessness to climate change. Suddenly they are ruined and will now have to listen to state officials or starve.

The underclass, they are fine, they will always be fine, they live on the dole and public handouts so nothing will change for them.

The workers in factories or shops will simply change over from working for the private sector to whatever department of the government has taken over their former owner's business.

Public sector workers will also be fine, they will in fact be the new heroes and their managers will become glutted with new-found power.

The billionaires, well needless to say they will be hunky dory, they might see their personal fortunes decline by a few percentage points for a year or so, but that will be small change to them.

The celebrity class, the elite sportsmen and Hollywood stars will also be fine, they will continue to spout the government's message and will be well rewarded for doing so.

So who will be wiped out? The small shop owner, the self-employed businessman, the landlord, the independent trader, the small factory owner, the sort of people who made their own decisions about life, who preferred to look after their own affairs, their own family's health care and education, their own pensions and who often voted in ways their betters preferred they didn't.

Bang! They are destroyed through no fault of their own but because of the incompetence of governments all around the world. They must pay the penalty of this crisis, they must accept that the way of life they once knew is now over, they must now be supplicants of the state and abide by the state's directions or find they have no roof over their heads.

Like I say, I am not a conspiracy theorist...
 
Not complicated. Why is a far leftist on a military forum?
Why do you assume someone who doesn't like the Tories is far left? Reading his posts I assume he is coming from the opposite direction. The Tories aren't the be all and end all of political thought you know, I can think of quite a few decisions made by the Tories over the past 40 years that wrecked the country and that boil my piss and I am somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun on a good day.
 
The Government imposed lockdown has effectively killed my business. Even when it's lifted it is unlikely to return to previous levels due to the damage that has been wrought on the economy.

As I am self-employed I will benefit from the support package. However as it is based on net earnings it does not take account of the business bills which will keep coming in. Fortunately, unlike some I have fairly low overheads.

The support package does not kick in until June and the self employed have been told to apply for Universal Credit in the meantime. However as I have savings over the limit of £6k I do not qualify for it. Neither do I qualify for a reduction in Council Tax.

It also seems that if you mothball your business or take a temporary job that will disqualify you from the self employed support scheme.

My savings, such as they are have been accrued because I live modestly and are intended to fund my later years. I find it irksome that having done what I regard as the right thing, I am now disadvantaged compared to someone that pissed all their cash against a wall.

Therefore I am considering under reporting my savings and making a fraudulent claim to both the Government and council so I qualify for benefits.

Obviously I want to do this without getting caught and I'm wondering what steps they take to check what people are claiming to have are true.

My understanding is that the state can only delve into your bank accounts/investments if a court orders it, and as such assuming all my figures add up on the various applications I am unlikely to get looked at.

Appreciate any thoughts.

I’m assuming that you’re normally a law abiding citizen and can only advise you to not even think about attempting it, it might be that you’d get away with it but equally you stand a chance, however slime it might seem, of getting caught, if it is the latter then you could maybe look forward to 3 square meals a day and free board and lodging in one of her majesty’s hotels and a big f*ck off criminal record, while I feel for your predicament I’m going to guess that courts will come down hard on anyone caught scamming the government and the public during a national emergency, of course it is your, and your alone final decision but is it really worth the possible consequences?
 
You know if I was a conspiracy theorist, and of course I am not, I would see this COVID-19 reaction as the coming of all their Christmases for those in the state and academia who have always hated the self-employed, entrepreneurs, property owners and small businessmen, the sort of people who don't like being told what to do by the state and who, apparently are to blame for all the problems of the world from homelessness to climate change. Suddenly they are ruined and will now have to listen to state officials or starve.

The underclass, they are fine, they will always be fine, they live on the dole and public handouts so nothing will change for them.

The workers in factories or shops will simply change over from working for the private sector to whatever department of the government has taken over their former owner's business.

Public sector workers will also be fine, they will in fact be the new heroes and their managers will become glutted with new-found power.

The billionaires, well needless to say they will be hunky dory, they might see their personal fortunes decline by a few percentage points for a year or so, but that will be small change to them.

The celebrity class, the elite sportsmen and Hollywood stars will also be fine, they will continue to spout the government's message and will be well rewarded for doing so.

So who will be wiped out? The small shop owner, the self-employed businessman, the landlord, the independent trader, the small factory owner, the sort of people who made their own decisions about life, who preferred to look after their own affairs, their own family's health care and education, their own pensions and who often voted in ways their betters preferred they didn't.

Bang! They are destroyed through no fault of their own but because of the incompetence of governments all around the world. They must pay the penalty of this crisis, they must accept that the way of life they once knew is now over, they must now be supplicants of the state and abide by the state's directions or find they have no roof over their heads.

Like I say, I am not a conspiracy theorist...
Except we entrepreneurs will always bounce back. It’ll just take more hustle.

Personally, I don’t bear a grudge for successful billionaire entrepreneurs. In fact, the opposite. They are the ones who I admire; they founded something from nothing, nurtured it a grew it.

I hope the well paid fat cat public “servants” who have failed so badly over COVID prove to be the big losers.
 
What's the betting at the end of this the likes of Sir Philip, Sir Richard and Sir Stellios will have been paid out in full by HMG and will sitting in their tax haven boltholes enjoying trebles all round whilst thousands of small businessmen/women will have gone to the wall?.

I will not bet against that happening.

Laws, like the spider's web catch flies but the hawk flies passes through with impunity.
 
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You know if I was a conspiracy theorist, and of course I am not, I would see this COVID-19 reaction as the coming of all their Christmases for those in the state and academia who have always hated the self-employed, entrepreneurs, property owners and small businessmen, the sort of people who don't like being told what to do by the state and who, apparently are to blame for all the problems of the world from homelessness to climate change. Suddenly they are ruined and will now have to listen to state officials or starve.

The underclass, they are fine, they will always be fine, they live on the dole and public handouts so nothing will change for them.

The workers in factories or shops will simply change over from working for the private sector to whatever department of the government has taken over their former owner's business.

Public sector workers will also be fine, they will in fact be the new heroes and their managers will become glutted with new-found power.

The billionaires, well needless to say they will be hunky dory, they might see their personal fortunes decline by a few percentage points for a year or so, but that will be small change to them.

The celebrity class, the elite sportsmen and Hollywood stars will also be fine, they will continue to spout the government's message and will be well rewarded for doing so.

So who will be wiped out? The small shop owner, the self-employed businessman, the landlord, the independent trader, the small factory owner, the sort of people who made their own decisions about life, who preferred to look after their own affairs, their own family's health care and education, their own pensions and who often voted in ways their betters preferred they didn't.

Bang! They are destroyed through no fault of their own but because of the incompetence of governments all around the world. They must pay the penalty of this crisis, they must accept that the way of life they once knew is now over, they must now be supplicants of the state and abide by the state's directions or find they have no roof over their heads.

Like I say, I am not a conspiracy theorist...


This pretty much the definition of an actual socialist society, which of course is the way the country had been heading for years. The rich, the state nomenklatura (public sector) and the welfare classes vs. the bourgeoisie (the private worker who has to pay for everything).

If you add in SDLT, IHT and state confiscation of assets for care home fees (including the extra 50% cross subsidy for the feckless), then the private working/middle class are simply becoming drone slave workers for the state and its favoured classes - everything they earn and accumulate in their lifetime has to be handed over.

Given the likely savage increases in tax and asset confiscations necessary to fund the state following C19, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of private workers will simply give up trying to have a self-funded life and instead choose a more sustainable and leisurely life on benefits?


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