Saving Royal Naval Hospital Haslar, Gosport

#1
I don't normally post on here and if its been posted before just give me a kick up the arsse:

Scanning the electronic Telegraph today I espied the following article

The last military hospital.
Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 05:58 PM GMT [General]

You are all probably aware that Royal Naval Hospital Haslar, the only proper military hospital in the UK, is to be closed in July 2009.

There is truly no substitute for a mainland UK military hospital, morale is often the key to recovery. Our troops and the services need to be treated with more respect. I served as a naval nurse at Haslar in the 60s. We dealt with men injured during Aden, and we nursed them very, very well!

Please write to call for Haslar to be retained, Please Write Now! JOHN HUTTON ,MOD Ministerial Correspondence Unit 5th Floor, Zone A Main Building Whitehall, London SW1A 2HB


100 reasons for keeping Haslar by and attributed to Gary Cleland (Published Date: 22 December 2006)

1 Closing Royal Hospital Haslar will mean the UK is the only Western power without a dedicated military hospital.

2 Haslar is currently carrying out more operations than at any point in its history.

3 Haslar was modernised at a cost of about £45m to become the nation's first tri-service hospital in the early- to mid-90s.

4 The hospital can hold up to 350 beds.

5 It boasts 10 new operating theatres and a state-of-the-art scanner.

6 Haslar has a burns unit which has never even been used.

7 It is one of the country's most secure hospitals, with high boundary walls and MoD police protection.

8 MoD staff accommodation, recreational facilities and service married quarters are available in the immediate vicinity.

9 A field ambulance unit and the Institute of Naval Medicine are close by.

10 Queen Alexandra Hospital, when it is rebuilt, will have one less operating theatre.

11 The new QA will also have one less ward.

12 The government has scrapped plans to spend £200m on defence medical facilities in Selly Oak, Birmingham.

13 Haslar takes thousands of civilian patients annually for non-urgent surgery.

14 Haslar boasts a 'zymotic' (isolation) ward that could be used in the event of biological attack or a flu pandemic.

15 St Richard's Hospital in West Sussex, which takes about 84,000 cases a year, looks set to be axed, which will put extra pressure on QA.

16 The Haslar estate as a whole is a designated historic park and garden.

17 Many of the buildings at Royal Hospital Haslar are listed.

18 The gardens are believed to contain at least 20,000 armed forces dead from throughout their history.

19 Southampton General Hospital, a teaching hospital, can provide the advanced training needed for more senior service staff.

20 Keeping the NHS minor-injuries unit at Haslar would save hundreds of thousands of pounds needed to move it to Gosport War Memorial Hospital.

21 A very high proportion of the nation's armed forces and their families are based in the south-east of England.

22 The campaign to Save Haslar has received the backing of all three political parties on Gosport Borough Council.

23 Gosport MP Peter Viggers secured a promise by shadow defence secretary Liam Fox that defence medicine would be reviewed if the Tories took power.

24 The South East England Regional Assembly (Seera) has called for the decision to close Haslar to be reviewed.

25 At present there are 193,000 people served by Haslar living between the Gosport waterfront and Hamble river.

26That number is growing at a rate of 1,100 people per year.

27 On top of that, the South East Plan will see between 80,000 and 131,000 homes built in the region.

28 Infrastructure improvements needed because of the South East Plan are estimated to cost £38bn - but the plan to close Haslar did not take that into account.

29 There has been increased demand for acute care in Portsmouth and Southampton hospitals since the QA rebuild project was planned.

30 The government's own policy is to provide more patient choice especially as to where treatment is carried out.

31 The number of elderly in our area requiring all kinds of medical treatment is growing - the number of 85-year-olds in Hampshire is projected to increase by 69 per cent.

32 Haslar treats patients not just from the south of England but from across the nation and even internationally.

33 The planned £5m redevelopment of Gosport War Memorial Hospital will lead to massive traffic problems in the immediate area.

34 Haslar's own car park makes it relatively easily accessible and keeps people off the borough's clogged roads.

35 The hospital has room for a helicopter to land so that casualties can be lifted from ships.

36 In 1990, Haslar Peninsula - home of the hospital - was designated a conservation area.

37 Haslar Hospital itself is a site of major historical and architectural interest.

38 Haslar Cemetery, which was in use from 1826 until 1859, contains a number of important memorials.

39 The coastal zone running along the length of the site contains mature trees of significant landscape value, notably many Holm Oaks.

40 In 2001 Haslar was designated a Grade II listed historic park.

41 In the 1940s, Royal Hospital Haslar set up the country's first 'blood bank' to help treat wounded soldiers from the second world war.

42 The Save Haslar Task Force and the people of Gosport have already succeeded in postponing the hospital's closure - originally intended for 2001.

43 In 1999, 22,000 people marched past the hospital gates in a bid to save it - the largest protest march in Gosport's history.

44 Gosport Borough Council has stipulated in its local plan that Royal Hospital Haslar be retained for medical use.

45 H ampshire County Council's health review panel, in October 2003, praised the facilities at Haslar.

46 In 2005, the county council's health scrutiny panel called on health ministers to refer the decision to close Haslar to an independent panel - which the government refuses to do.

47 In April 2004, Fareham and Gosport Primary Care Trust was handed a 25,000-signature petition from residents against the planned closure.

48 In February 2005, Fareham and Gosport PCT became the first in the country to receive a vote of no confidence, from Gosport council.

49 This year, meetings held by Portsmouth Hospitals NHS Trust were overrun by furious residents demanding Haslar stay open.

50 Gosport War Memorial Hospital is widely believed to be inadequate in terms of space, traffic congestion and parking to provide a replacement for Haslar's Minor Injuries Unit.

51 Defence medicine was first to have moved from Haslar to Newcastle - the constituency of the then Defence Minister. It was then moved to Birmingham - the constit-uency of the new Defence Minister.

52 Spare hospital capacity is needed in case of pandemics.

53 S pare capacity is needed in case of a massive terrorist attack, by nuclear or chemical-warfare means.

54 The armed forces need a hospital for recuperation - both physical and mental. Haslar, in its superb, peaceful location, is ideally suited for this purpose.

55 An estimated 5,000 injured troops are being prevented from joining front-line operations while they wait for medical treatment.

56 Since the war in Iraq began in 2003, around 6,600 UK troops have been injured in Iraq and Afghanistan.

57In the last six months more than 60 have been injured fighting in Afghanistan.

58 Since 2003 more than 600 have been flown back to the UK for treatment.

59 Selly Oak Hospital in Birmingham has recorded one of the highest rates of the MRSA superbug.

60 Royal Hospital Haslar is one of the cleanest in the country

61 Around 70 military medical consultants have left the services in disillusionment over the last five years.

62 Haslar has a pool to help rehabilitate troops who have had their legs amputated. 63 Its orthopaedic department is recognised as outstanding.

64 Troops serving abroad have spoken openly about hoping that if they do get injured it is serious enough for them to be sent to the US military hospital in Germany.

65 Neurological intensive-care beds in Britain are in short supply.

66 Temporarily moving GP practices from the Gosport War Memorial Hospital while it is redeveloped will cost £300,000.

67 Former Chief of Defence Staff Lord Bramall said defence medicine was overly dependent on the NHS.

68 In Afghanistan,the UK is involved in its first proper 'shooting war' since the Falklands.

69 During that conflict, the UK had military hospitals at Woolwich, Aldershot, Wroughton - and Haslar.

70 Those hospitals, as well as British military hospitals in Germany and Cyprus, were closed under the Tories.

71 As Britain's only remaining military hospital, Haslar has been the spiritual home of Defence Medical Services.

72 Defence Medical staff feel no sense of pride in being based in Birmingham.

73 Medicine has become so successful that new treatments could actually lead to a demand for more beds.

74 Some of the buildings in the hospital, such as Canada Block, were donated to the people of Gosport for medical use.

75 A campaign has been launched in south Hampshire to bring a hospice to the Royal Haslar Hospital site.

76 Haslar has helped QA to achieve the best waiting-list results in Hampshire.

77 The government has not put forward an alternative to the £200m Selly Oak project that has satisfied critics.

78 Its plan to develop RAF Lichfield will lead to patients having to cross Birmingham.

79 In 2001 a group of explorers unveiled a 'Save Haslar Hospital' banner at the top of Mount Everest.

80 Developers like Barratt Homes have already admitted an interest in converting the site to housing.

81 A petition has been handed in to Downing Street calling for the hospital to remain. 82 Portsmouth NHS Hospitals Trust has just been given Foundation status after promising to consult more - there should be a new public consultation on the future of Haslar.

83 Residents have become disillusioned with the government.

84 In 2005, Gosport council received 16,000 replies to a consultation on the future of hospital provision - all but 200 said they'd prefer Haslar to Gosport War Memorial Hospital.

85 Thousands of pounds are raised every year by Haslar.

86 Hard-working staff at the hospital deserve a secure future. 87 According to former defence minister Ivor Caplin, local health chiefs never asked the Ministry of Defence how much it would cost to buy parts of Haslar.

88 10,000 new homes are being lined up between Fareham and Wickham - without any guaranteed cash to improve the infrastructure.

89 Haslar boasts a decompression chamber.

90 Gosport should not lose Haslar until problems on the A32 are sorted out.

91 Haslar has recently had a £1m breast cancer ward set up to serve the entire region, although the hospitals trust recently downsized it.

92 Residents have expressed fears that public transport in Gosport is not reliable enough for important journeys to QA.

93 Gosport MP Peter Viggers has claimed he does not believe there is a plan in place as to what will happen when the MoD leaves Haslar.

94 Empty listed buildings will cost a fortune in maintenance.

95 In February 1997, the Defence Select Committee recommended that Haslar should be protected.

96 The closure of Haslar has been estimated to cost the local economy between £15m and £18m a year.

97 It would also result in the loss of between 750 and 1,000 jobs.

98 Losing such an important asset could also re-inforce the perception that Gosport peninsula is a 'Road to Nowhere'.

99 The NHS should be able to take control of the Haslar site at no cost - it is a government organisation, and the site is owned by another government department, the MoD.

100 Royal Hospital Haslar has provided medical care for the armed forces and for the local community for 253 years. Please write now, your country's services need your support in this matter.
 
#2
100 good reasons too keep Haslar, but i doubt that One Eye would make the decision too keep Haslar as that might be admitting the closure of military hospitals was wrong, and we all know they don't ever admit to making mistakes...
 
#4
51 Defence medicine was first to have moved from Haslar to Newcastle - the constituency of the then Defence Minister. It was then moved to Birmingham - the constituency of the new Defence Minister.
Disgusting. Zanu-NL further surprises me as to the depths it will go to.
 
#5
100 very telling reasons..... I'm sure Arrsers can come up with more ... [except possible PTP as he comes from Selly Oak area???? and I get the impression from his posts on the subject that he thinks it's the answer to the problem. I stand to be corrected]
 
#6
The13thDukeOfWybourne said:
Number 18 should be the only reason needed.
Seems to me Number 18 shows it's maybe not a very good hospital.

Seriously though this issue was raised as a petition on the No10 website which attracted over 65,000 signatures. The reply, rather predictably was a big fat freddy.

Hasn't a lot of the infrastructure already been stripped out of RNHH anyway? Last time I was in that neck of the woods it was already looking pretty empty and run down.
 
#7
Majorpain said:
51 Defence medicine was first to have moved from Haslar to Newcastle - the constituency of the then Defence Minister. It was then moved to Birmingham - the constituency of the new Defence Minister.
Disgusting. Zanu-NL further surprises me as to the depths it will go to.
Newcastle? I must have been out taking a leak when that happened.
 
#8
codename1157 said:
The13thDukeOfWybourne said:
Number 18 should be the only reason needed.
Seems to me Number 18 shows it's maybe not a very good hospital.

Seriously though this issue was raised as a petition on the No10 website which attracted over 65,000 signatures. The reply, rather predictably was a big fat freddy.

Hasn't a lot of the infrastructure already been stripped out of RNHH anyway? Last time I was in that neck of the woods it was already looking pretty empty and run down.
Haslar is still a working hospital. The major local NHS hospital Queen Alexandras at Cosham is being re-developed and the civvies are using Haslar for ward space. It's still a well equipped, well maintained (although now underused) hospital. As to being run down- absolutely not. One of the reasons Haslar was chosen as the last service hospital in the mid 90s was because it was in such good condition compared to the rest i.e. it didn't need much cash spending on it. Ironic really when you consider that it is- or was until recently anyway- probably the oldest military hospital in the world.
 
#9
I hate to correct you Dave8307 but RHH can never go back to being a military hospital. Whilst the hospital is closing in 2009 the military handed over total command of the site in 2007. Whilst there are still a small number of military staff working there they are now under NHS control.

Just like with the closure of Selly Oak hospital in 2010 the current retail value for re-development of the site into homes is in the high millions and the money raised will not go back to the NHS but into the Governments central fund.
 
#10
worm on a stick

...nothing to correct, mate. All I did was copy and paste an article from the Telegraph (as stated). Also stated that I don't often post - in this case I thought it important to highlight to people who will be affected by the decision that a story had achieved national prominence.
 
#11
10 Queen Alexandra Hospital, when it is rebuilt, will have one less operating theatre.

Bolloxs - discounting Day Surgery , there will be 22 elective / trauma theaters (None UCV and UVC) and 2 maternity theatres



11 The new QA will also have one less ward.

Bolloxs - there are almost a thousand impatient beds split over five levels (discounting high care wards, oncology wards and NICU)



14 Haslar boasts a 'zymotic' (isolation) ward that could be used in the event of biological attack or a flu pandemic.

QAH has an entire departmet on level F.

Zymotioc 'wards' is a huge exaggeration. QAH has 12 'Class 3' patient rooms for both bacterial and radiological patients



19 Southampton General Hospital, a teaching hospital, can provide the advanced training needed for more senior service staff.

No it cant.

QAH will have a whole new education building - for both S'oton and Portsmouth post-graduate medics



29 There has been increased demand for acute care in Portsmouth and Southampton hospitals since the QA rebuild project was planned.

Of which none goes to Haslar because of limited/none-existant helipad and road access.

QAH has a dedicated roof top heli-pad with dedicated access to Critical care and dedicated Trauma Theatre



89 Haslar boasts a decompression chamber.

That the Navy originally wanted to move it to QAH but the plan was rejected by the MOD pending a 'barginning agreement' with the PCT


The Navy WANT to sell Haslar to fund MOD projects
 
#14
Been there recently seemed to be up and running, with attendant horrible matelots running the show.
 
#16
leigh1526 said:
No 7 isn't true anymore no MDP at Hasler (as far as I'm aware)
Passed through :cry: a few months back. Was MGS on the gate, and still is. Doesnt mean MoD plod weren't there though.

An absolute disgrace. We need that hospital.
 
#17
We don't need that hospital. It is inaccessable - it is easier to get there by sea than by road! It has less reason to exist than any other potential hospital in the country. Get off your hind legs and put yourself into context - not talk about stuff from over 30 years ago.
 
#18
moving-target-survivor said:
Of which none goes to Haslar because of limited/none-existant helipad and road access.

QAH has a dedicated roof top heli-pad with dedicated access to Critical care and dedicated Trauma Theatre
QAH does have an elevated helipad but very restricted operating times and conditions.
Access to A+E is not that direct
Haslar could if feasability and planning approved upgrade helicopter landing facilities.

If Haslar took civvi HEMS then the helipad will need upgrade anyway.
 

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