Saudis Buy Eurofighter Typhoon

#3
I wonder how many escort agencies were needed to close this deal then!

Could this be interpreted as a snub to the US though?

I thought the Saudis were odds-on to go for a US successor to Tornado.
 
#4
Meanwhile

http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/05/24/indiajets.shtml

India will assemble 140 Su-30-MKI fighter jets under a Russian license
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/03/04/malaysiajets.shtml

The armed forces of Malaysia has announced that it is to replace seven of their 14 U.S.-made F-5E fighter aircraft with Russian Su-30MKM multifunctional jet fighters.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/04/28/usarmsforecast.shtml

The Iraq war has spoiled the image of U.S. arms. First of all, the technique of remote airborne combat suffered a defeat, which will lessen the share of aircrafts on the market and increase the popularity of tanks, armored vehicles, small arms and close-combat arms.

Furthermore, Iraq’s anti-aircraft defense system, which was blocked by U.S. forces, was produced by the United States, which devalues U.S. anti-aircraft defenses on the world market, Chemezov the director general of Rosoboronexport said.
...
Military experts promise an end to the U.S. leadership in localized conflicts with the arrival of Russia’s SU-30 airplanes and new air-to-air missiles on the market
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/19/russthaideal.shtml

The government of Thailand has agreed to a secret $500 million deal to buy Russian fighter jets and helicopters for the Royal Thai Air Force
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/07/11/chinafighters.shtml

China is the largest buyer of Russian military weaponry and equipment, and Russian-built Su-27 and Su-30 jet fighters make up the core of China’s air force
 
#5
Well it looks like Dick Evans and Mike Turner still have that knack...Al Yamamah? Certainly sir that will do nicely... 8)
 
#6
The Iraq war has spoiled the image of U.S. arms. First of all, the technique of remote airborne combat suffered a defeat, which will lessen the share of aircrafts on the market and increase the popularity of tanks, armored vehicles, small arms and close-combat arms.
I don't think there's necessarily a problem with US weapons systems, more that you can't use the same golf club throughout the whole tournament.
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
A cracking idea to sell these to the Saudis, really.

Afterall, they are either going to have an Islamic revolution or we are going to be smacking them within 15 years anyway so we may as well sell them the kit they need to fight back.

Now will someone remind me of the identity of the country that spawned the majority of the 9/11 hijackers?
 
#8
maninblack said:
A cracking idea to sell these to the Saudis, really.

Afterall, they are either going to have an Islamic revolution or we are going to be smacking them within 15 years anyway so we may as well sell them the kit they need to fight back.

Now will someone remind me of the identity of the country that spawned the majority of the 9/11 hijackers?
Do you mean that it would be better if Saudis would bought Russian jet-fighters?

I suppose that Uerofighters are an excellent solution. At least these planes, their construction and weak points are well-known.
 
#9
Just go to prove saudis are stupid who would buy a bae product given a choice ? Over priced carp that dosent work .I thought the iraqes used mostly soviet weapons and a few french weapons .Certainly all the stuff I saw burned out in the desert or dumped round shaibah was russian apart from one cheftain .
The West has been sold the myth of the invincible russian jet for alll
my life and time &time again it been proved to be a lie . If you bring russian kit to a war facing the west your going to lose
 
#10
maninblack said:
A cracking idea to sell these to the Saudis, really.
Afterall, they are either going to have an Islamic revolution or we are going to be smacking them within 15 years anyway so we may as well sell them the kit they need to fight back.
You aren´t being Machiavellian enough MiB - don´t forget, the F-22 is having a few funding problems and is also the only aircraft able to reliably defeat the Typhoon. Want to bet that these funding problems are all miraculously solved now?
 
#11
Some Russian kit is actually very good.

I for one know that I would not like to be on the business end of an SS-N-2C Styx missile from a naval perspective and if I had to choose between an SA-80 and an AK-47, I know which one I'd choose.....

Saying that, why have the Saudi's been given bang up to date technology??? Personally, I can't stand them-they are without doubt the rudest, ignorant race on the face of this planet.
 
#12
the_matelot said:
Personally, I can't stand them-they are without doubt the rudest, ignorant race on the face of this planet.
Now now matelot. i'm sure that title belongs to the french. maybe saudi's are the second-placers?
 
#13
KGB_resident said:
maninblack said:
A cracking idea to sell these to the Saudis, really.

Afterall, they are either going to have an Islamic revolution or we are going to be smacking them within 15 years anyway so we may as well sell them the kit they need to fight back.

Now will someone remind me of the identity of the country that spawned the majority of the 9/11 hijackers?
Do you mean that it would be better if Saudis would bought Russian jet-fighters?

I suppose that Uerofighters are an excellent solution. At least these planes, their construction and weak points are well-known.
To be fair Sergey, the SU30 is an excellent aircraft, so it is totally understandable why anyone would want to purchase it. The Eurofighter on the other hand....well, it isn't really is it?
 

maninblack

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Book Reviewer
#14
To a greater or lesser degree the quality of the equipment and systems is very important in determining the result however there is also the factor of whether the bloke paid to strap it to his arrse is willing to do so for real when someone is shooting back.

It has been shown in my lifetime that having amongst the best aircraft in the world (Mig29) can be no help if the air force run away or are ordered not to engage for fear of crippling losses and their infrastructure is destroyed by an overwhelming initial strike as has happened with Iraq.

Conversely when skilled, determined and motivated pilots are provided with relatively out dated equipment they can still cause extreme discomfort as demonstrated by the Argentineans and their Sky Hawks.

I am less concerned with the Saudis having Typhoon from a military viewpoint as any serious hostility with Saudi Arabia would be likely to be a very short flash to bang type of party in the early stages. I merely think it is ludicrous to supply equipment to such a despicable and unstable regime which is likely to be replaced by rabid mullahs within the shelf life of the kit being supplied.
 
#16
woody said:
Just go to prove saudis are stupid who would buy a bae product given a choice ? Over priced carp that dosent work .I thought the iraqes used mostly soviet weapons and a few french weapons .Certainly all the stuff I saw burned out in the desert or dumped round shaibah was russian apart from one cheftain .
The West has been sold the myth of the invincible russian jet for alll
my life and time &time again it been proved to be a lie . If you bring russian kit to a war facing the west your going to lose
Due to the sanctions Iraq hadn't any modern types of weapons. It's anti-aircraft system was very old and ineffective.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3070293/

Iraqi systems, though numerous, are mostly from the Vietnam War era, are well understood by U.S. intelligence and are limited in capability. The SAMs with the greatest range, the ex-Soviet SA-2s and SA-3s, are at the end of their operational lifespan, between 30 and 40 years old.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DH17Ak03.html

The Iraqi air force is reduced to 130 attack aircraft and 180 jet fighters, but only about 90 of the latter are combat ready at any given time. The navy no longer exists.
These planes (very old, voided modern electronics and missiles) were easy targets (especially on land).
 
#17
The Saudi's are not daft, by including some non US equipment in their armoury they keep the US on it's toes, They only bought the Tornado ADV to frighten the US into selling them the F15 Eagle which is the aircraft they really wanted. By buying a small quantity of Typhoon's they are saying to the US " If you don't sell us the Raptor when it enters service we will spend all this oil money with the Europeans and buy more Typhoons instead!!.

In the 1970s the Shah of Iran wanted to buy the F14 Tomcat for his airforce, the US refused, so he went to the Soviet Union and bought a few hundred BTR wheeled APC's, the US took the hint and supplied him with F14's.

In the end the threat of losing $$$ exports to European aircraft maufacturers will force the US to sell the F22 raptor to the saudies.
 
#18
Just some History on Eurofighter

Project start dates 1981, 1983 and 1992. Ish The three stutters during the project
First Flights 1986 and 199
Phase Two flights 1997
Production Ready
Flight Clearance 1997
Production Contracts 1998
1st Plan in Production 1999

To date (April 2005) 41 Production aircraft have been delivered.

The RAF's own website does not yet number any Eurofighter equiped Sqdns in service in December 2005

Great....
 
#19
Just in contrast

Ja 39 Gripen

Project start 1981
Contract signed 1982 (Fixed price contract)
First flight 1988
First Sdn Converted 1997
Last Sdn converted 2005
1st upgrade 2004

One small country using a number of companies, mostly swedish, put a FBW multi role aircraft in service in 16 years.

Most of the delays were caused by problems with the FBW software.
 
#20
Kitmarlowe said:
Just in contrast

Ja 39 Gripen

Project start 1981
Contract signed 1982 (Fixed price contract)
First flight 1988
First Sdn Converted 1997
Last Sdn converted 2005
1st upgrade 2004

One small country using a number of companies, mostly swedish, put a FBW multi role aircraft in service in 16 years.

Most of the delays were caused by problems with the FBW software.
remember though that Typhoon is a multi national project, which guarantee's delays. cost overuns and arguments between the nations involved. The only other option was to buy US aircraft and surrender forever the world market on fighter aircraft.
 

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