Saudi Journalist Disappears in Saudi Consulate in Turkey

ches

LE
TBF, I don't think Lawrence was supported at all well by the FO in relation to his dealings with the arabs. You pick that up in Seven Pillars and it runs like a thread through the whole book. I can honestly say that having been a child out there (Libya) for six years and dad having served out there, the west gets an entirely wrong view of the Arab. We really didn't do ourselves any favours.
The Arabs will sell anything to anyone, that includes Oil. Suez has been an Egyptian possession for donkeys now, trade still flows, our companies work in Saudi to the benefit of both parties, but we viewed the tribal differences as childish.
In later years dad worked for Oilfield contractors importing Cats and Oilfied gear and Land Rovers. Mum worked for the Department of Public works in Benghazi. Her boss was all over Europe, buying for his own business as well. Her Letters from him are quite a surprise and he wasn't slumming it. They bot dealt with Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians in fact from all over and one of my childhood mates still lives in Tripoli (Lebanon) and also has a London address. They have a completely different outlook to the fundamentalists, with who they frankly wouldn't drink Shahi.
In later years as Customs I had occasion to seize books about nuclear fission going to Tripoli (Libya) that were basically textbooks for those studying physics at a London University because of the sanctions. The seizures were pointless because they could be obtained through other means.

The attitude of the west to the ME & arabs in general has long been a bug bear of mine. To not listen to specialists & experts in the area when forming strategy & aligning national interest coupled with an ethical approach is idiocy of the first degree. History keeps repeating itself in the ME & arab north africa thanks in no small part to the west not learning & paying attention.

Ref TEL, he & his comrades with Arab armies were stuck between the buffoons in the FO & the Indian Office & their conflicting interests/aims in the Arabian peninsula & Iraq/Jordan. The problems as reported by Gertrude Bell with how both organisations ran counter to each were staggering in their stupidity, none of which was helped by the duplicity of the French in Syria & Iraq in the end stage of the war & during the various peace conferences.
 
duplicity of the French in Syria & Iraq in the end stage of the war & during the various peace conferences.
Ah yes, the duplicitous French and the Perfidious British- never have there been such ill matched bedfellows. Still entente cordial writ large. There's that cartoon of Adolf and Stalin stabbing each other in the back whilst embracing. It could just as well have been us and France.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Ah yes, the duplicitous French and the Perfidious British- never have there been such ill matched bedfellows. Still entente cordial writ large. There's that cartoon of Adolf and Stalin stabbing each other in the back whilst embracing. It could just as well have been us and France.
I've seen a cartoon or three where it is, in fact.
 

exsniffer

Old-Salt
Wearing the earrings at this time though would show a certain lack of taste and a high degree of self-centredness by the recipient.
I don't think the Duchess of Sussex is renowned for either her good taste or her lack of self-centeredness
 
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ches

LE
Back OT though, finally watched the Jan 2020 released docu, The Dissident & while I paid some attention to the news when it happened, the background & detail to how he died & the aftermath is staggering. Just goes to show the levels our leaders (of all colours) will sink to avoiding the issue for the sake of not upsetting the house of Saud
 
Ah yes, the duplicitous French and the Perfidious British- never have there been such ill matched bedfellows. Still entente cordial writ large. There's that cartoon of Adolf and Stalin stabbing each other in the back whilst embracing. It could just as well have been us and France.

And apparently how us and the US were for most of the post-war as well!

Cracking read apparently, on my out of control to read pile.

 
And apparently how us and the US were for most of the post-war as well!

Cracking read apparently, on my out of control to read pile.

I dare say my dad could have had input into that, as he worked for Exxon at Brega back in the late fifties/ Early Sixties. I’ve his photos during the construction .
 

ches

LE
Tbf, despite his left leanings I found Bob Fisks - The Great War for Civilisation a reasonably balanced take on the actions of the west in the ME.
 

ches

LE

Not really bothered about how much he charges for speaking but there is nothing new in that, ex PM working in the private sector uses contacts in new job. Im not an ex-PM but i do exactly the same. I've got professional contacts I still deal with years later. Some of whom previously worked for the likes on KBR, Exxon etc.
 
"Cameron is said to charge at least £120,000 an hour for speaking engagements"
£120K an hour? Holy fork!
David Cameron took part in a panel discussion at the recent Conservative Party of Canada convention (on line for the pandemic). The discussion was closed to the public and press, so I don't know what took place. Supposedly it was confidential due to the terms of the contract with invited participants.

I was very surprised when I heard that Cameron had been invited, as he doesn't see eye to eye with the leading Canadian Conservatives on the sort of major issues I assume they would be interested in hearing him talk about. Hearing about the sort of fees he charges I do have to wonder if he was paid to take part, which would make his (virtual) appearance there even more surprising.
 
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