Saudi Journalist Disappears in Saudi Consulate in Turkey

This story could come under several threads, but as the Khashoggi angle seems the most important I will place it here.
www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-g20-summit-trudeau-1.5205665?cmp=rss
The next G20 summit will take place in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, in the the financial district.
The next Group of 20 summit, however, will be held next November in an altogether more forbidding environment: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. It will take place in the modern surroundings of the new King Abdullah Financial District, with 59 towers and a few architectural wonders.
The story notes though that to get a taste of the real Saudi Arabia, you need to head down to "Chop-chop Square", where frequent public executions are held.
But for a taste of the real Saudi Arabia, summiteers need only take a cab south on King Fahd Road. In about half an hour they'll come to Deera Square, colloquially known as 'Chop-chop Square' for its frequent public executions.
Under the prince bin Salman, executions have nearly doubled.
Despite praise from western governments for his supposedly modernizing ways, Saudi Arabia's crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (often known as MBS) has overseen a near-doubling in the number of executions.
A couple of months ago 37 people were executed in one day. All but 4 were from the persecuted Shia minority.
The swordsmen were busy on April 23, when Saudi Arabia executed 37 people in one day. All but four were members of the country's persecuted Shia minority. The body and severed head of one of the 37 was put on public display.
The next set up for the chop include a 13 year old who was accused of leading a protest of children on bicycles during the Arab Spring when he was 10 years old.
The next group of condemned individuals set for execution in Saudi Arabia includes Murtaja Qureiris, who has been in prison since the age of 13. He's accused of crimes that include leading a protest of children on bicycles during the Arab Spring movement — when he was ten.
Many of those executed are poor foreign workers accused of crimes such as witchcraft, making potions, and predicting the future.
Many of those executed in Saudi Arabia are poor foreigners. Saudi Arabia has sentenced people to die in recent years for such crimes as witchcraft, making potions and predicting the future.
The thing that is really making Riyadh controversial as the host for the G20 though is the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.
But the killing that made Saudi Arabia uniquely controversial as a site for a G20 summit was — unlike the ones in Deera Square — never meant to be seen by the wider world.

Jamal Khashoggi's murder in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul has been a public relations disaster for a kingdom that has worked hard to present a face to the world very different from the one it shows at home.
According to UN investigator Agnes Callamard, the murder could not have been carried out with the approval of Mohammed bin Salman.
According to the report of UN special rapporteur Agnes Callamard, Turkish microphones captured the killing and dismemberment of Khashoggi, while his fiancee waited outside for him, unaware. Turkish cameras captured one of Khashoggi's killers leaving the consulate wearing the dead man's clothes.

And Turkish wiretaps captured the communications between the hit squad and home base, leading foreign intelligence services to conclude that the murder realistically could not have been carried out without the approval of Mohammed bin Salman.
Callamard has said that holding the G20 in Saudi Arabia is a "slap in the face" for those who want to see some accountability for that murder.
"The holding of the G20 in Saudi Arabia next year is a slap in the face of all those who have fought and some of whom have died for accountability and human rights protections," she told CBC News, calling for the summit to be moved.
Callamard also said that Canada has taken the strongest stance on Saudi Arabia's human rights record, and has paid a heavy price for it while the international community has failed to support Canada.
"Canada has already taken possibly the strongest stance on Saudi Arabia and has paid a heavy price for it," she said. "The international community as a whole failed to support Canada a year or so ago when it criticized Saudi Arabia for its treatment of women activists."
Callamard also said that Canada has take the strongest stand with regards to accountability for the murder of Khashoggi, alongside perhaps Germany.
Callamard said Canada also has "taken a number of stands when it comes to accountability for Mr. Khashoggi. I think the government of Canada has probably taken the strongest stance against Saudi Arabia of all western countries, alongside with maybe Germany."
At the G20 summit in Argentina in 2018, only Canada would speak directly to bin Salman about the murder of Khashoggi. Callamard wants other countries to "rally around Canada" in doing something about it.
It was at the G20 Summit in Argentina in November 2018 that the crown prince made his first international appearance after the murder. Most leaders steered clear of him. Some, like Russian President Vladimir Putin, were friendly. But only one, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, spoke to him directly about the killing.

"It's important that Canada exercise leadership as it has so far," said Callamard. "But it cannot do that on its own. Other countries must rally around Canada in a way that they haven't done so far."
However, Canada will not be boycotting the G20 summit over this issue.
"The G20 provides a forum for Canada and its partners to take concerted action on some of the world's most pressing challenges," said Adam Austen, spokesman for Global Affairs. "Canada supports the important inquiry of Agnes Callamard ... into the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. This murder was an unconscionable attack on the freedom of expression of all individuals and on the freedom of the press.

"The explanations provided by Saudi Arabia to date are insufficient. We continue to call for a full, international independent investigation into the murder of Jamal Khashoggi."
Canada's former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, expelled from the country last year, said that it would be an "empty gesture" to boycott the summit as it would do nothing to change bin Salman's behaviour.
Dennis Horak, Canada's former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, was expelled during last year's diplomatic spat with the kingdom. He told CBC News he feels that avoiding the summit, or trying to move it elsewhere, would be an "empty gesture."

"What would be the objective? What would we be trying to achieve?" he asked.

"Normally when you put sanctions on a country or punish them in some way, it's because you're trying to get them to do something. What is that something we want them to do? Are we looking for them to remove the crown prince and put him on trial? Because that's not going to happen."
 
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Saudi Arabia has come in for more criticism about the murder of Khashoggi at a meeting of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva.
The statement Monday urged Saudi authorities to establish the truth about the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi at the Istanbul Consulate last October and ensure the perpetrators are held to account.
There were 15 EU signatories of the statement, including the UK, as well as Canada, New Zealand, and others.
Fifteen European Union members, including Britain and Germany, were among the signatories, as well as Canada, New Zealand and Peru, diplomats said.
There was no response by the Saudi delegation who left the room prior to the event to attend a reception elsewhere.
There was no immediate response by the Saudi delegation, which is among the council's 47 member states but which has an empty seat. The Saudi ambassador left the room about an hour before to host his country's national day reception.
The statement also raised concerns about the fate of human rights activists in Saudi Arabia. The statement mentions Saudi Arabia's use of torture, disappearances, and unfair trials.
"However, we remain deeply concerned at the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia. Civil society actors in Saudi Arabia still face persecution and intimidation," Australia's ambassador Sally Mansfield said, reading out the statement.

"We are concerned at reports of torture, arbitrary detention, enforced disappearances, unfair trials and harassment of individuals engaged in promoting and defending human rights, their families and colleagues," she said.
Among the people present at the meeting was Lina al-Hathloul, sister of Loujain al-Hathloul, a woman held in Saudi Arabian prison and subjected to torture. Loujain al-Hathloul has connections with Canada and Canadian concern over her fate was one of the reasons that caused Saudi Arabia to break off diplomatic relations with Canada. A high ranking official with close connections with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has been accused of having direct involvement in the torture of Loujain al-Hathloul.
Loujain al-Hathloul, a former University of British Columbia student, is among a number of women activists who have been detained in Saudi Arabia for over a year. Rights groups say she and others have been held in solitary confinement for months and subjected to abuse.

Lina al-Hathloul urged the panel on Monday to call for the unconditional release of her sister and to hold those who've allegedly tortured the women to account. Rights groups working on behalf of Loujain Hathloul's release allege Saud al-Qahtani, a senior adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, has been a party to the inhumane treatment.

"They labelled her a traitor, tortured her and attempted to trade her freedom in exchange for her publicly denying the torture," she said.
 
Saudi Arabia has come in for more criticism about the murder of Khashoggi at a meeting of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva.


There were 15 EU signatories of the statement, including the UK, as well as Canada, New Zealand, and others.


There was no response by the Saudi delegation who left the room prior to the event to attend a reception elsewhere.


The statement also raised concerns about the fate of human rights activists in Saudi Arabia. The statement mentions Saudi Arabia's use of torture, disappearances, and unfair trials.


Among the people present at the meeting was Lina al-Hathloul, sister of Loujain al-Hathloul, a woman held in Saudi Arabian prison and subjected to torture. Loujain al-Hathloul has connections with Canada and Canadian concern over her fate was one of the reasons that caused Saudi Arabia to break off diplomatic relations with Canada. A high ranking official with close connections with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has been accused of having direct involvement in the torture of Loujain al-Hathloul.
wow, you mean the country that had the chair of the UNHCR unhindered by the UN during it's occupancy is suddenly non flavour of the month. I heard this on the radio and fell about laughing. Sorry just couldn't resist
 
Prince Mohammed bin Salman has now said he takes "full responsibility" for the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi, but still insists that it wasn't his fault.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman said in a television interview that he takes "full responsibility" for the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, but denied allegations that he ordered it.

"This was a heinous crime," the 34-year-old crown prince told 60 Minutes in an interview that aired Sunday. "But I take full responsibility as a leader in Saudi Arabia, especially since it was committed by individuals working for the Saudi government."
He also said that Khashoggi's murder was "a mistake". It's not clear from the article whether he was simply acknowledging that it wasn't a very good idea to murder Khashoggi, or whether he was trying to imply that his henchmen just happened to accidentally murder and saw someone into pieces in a moment of carelessness.
Asked if he ordered the murder of Khashoggi, who had criticized him in columns for The Washington Post, the crown prince replied: "Absolutely not."

The slaying was "a mistake," he said.
This admission from bin Salman however suggests that he has realised that the issue hasn't gone away and that Saudi Arabia's reputation for savagery is going to cause difficulties in getting the West to "do something" about Iran on Saudi Arabia's behalf.
 
Prince Mohammed bin Salman has now said he takes "full responsibility" for the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi, but still insists that it wasn't his fault.


He also said that Khashoggi's murder was "a mistake". It's not clear from the article whether he was simply acknowledging that it wasn't a very good idea to murder Khashoggi, or whether he was trying to imply that his henchmen just happened to accidentally murder and saw someone into pieces in a moment of carelessness.


This admission from bin Salman however suggests that he has realised that the issue hasn't gone away and that Saudi Arabia's reputation for savagery is going to cause difficulties in getting the West to "do something" about Iran on Saudi Arabia's behalf.
So He'll be ordering His own head lopped off any day now? :rolleyes:
 
So He'll be ordering His own head lopped off any day now? :rolleyes:
Well, these things appear to happen by mistake in today's Saudi Arabia. In his case though an "aircraft accident" may be more likely if he can't turn things around. Khashoggi is probably less of a problem for him though than some of the other fiascos his name is connected with.
 
Well, these things appear to happen by mistake in today's Saudi Arabia. In his case though an "aircraft accident" may be more likely if he can't turn things around. Khashoggi is probably less of a problem for him though than some of the other fiascos his name is connected with.
Whos next in the ring if Mr Bone Saw gets His? Will it go more hardline. Wimmin drivers outlawed again etc?
 
Whos next in the ring if Mr Bone Saw gets His? Will it go more hardline. Wimmin drivers outlawed again etc?
Reports are that bin Salman isn't popular in many parts of the Saudi hierarchy because he is viewed as being too reckless and too liable to get Saudi Arabia into trouble they can't get out of. That was even before the Khashoggi affair.

It's hard to say if a conservative backlash against bin Salman would roll back any women's rights. A big part of the motivation for according more rights to women is to make it possible to get them more involved in the workforce and to replace foreigner workers. This is part of their long term plans for dealing with the economic realities which they will face once oil is no longer able to pay for everything. Those reforms were in the works for a long time. Roll them back and there is a big hole in their economic plans.
 
The schadenfreude of seeing that Gulf lot reduced to goat meat,camel milk and infighting among their squalid little tribes would be indescribable.
 
The schadenfreude of seeing that Gulf lot reduced to goat meat,camel milk and infighting among their squalid little tribes would be indescribable.
It would be impossible for Saudi Arabia to survive on camel herding and date palm oases at this point. Their population has increased by at least an order of magnitude since the discovery of oil and they are heavily dependent upon the import of nearly everything. If for some reason they were unable to sell oil they will be on the refugee trail to Europe before too long.
 
It would be impossible for Saudi Arabia to survive on camel herding and date palm oases at this point. Their population has increased by at least an order of magnitude since the discovery of oil and they are heavily dependent upon the import of nearly everything. If for some reason they were unable to sell oil they will be on the refugee trail to Europe before too long.
You really do know how to cheer one up terminal... :)
 
It would be impossible for Saudi Arabia to survive on camel herding and date palm oases at this point. Their population has increased by at least an order of magnitude since the discovery of oil and they are heavily dependent upon the import of nearly everything. If for some reason they were unable to sell oil they will be on the refugee trail to Europe before too long.
Guess they are trying to be a bit like the UAE and diversify....just way too slow off the block.
 

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If they were travelling on the diplomatic track,thy may have dry iced the fillets and brought them back to saudi? Burn the heavy sheeting presumably used for the dismemberment.No evidence left in Turkey at all?
 

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