Saudi Journalist Disappears in Saudi Consulate in Turkey

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Report done, job jobbed. Square root of f all will happen.
Except that Erdogan, who loves to score points over the Saudis, will milk this for what’s its worth, including large hush money payments from Riyadh.
 
Endogamy can continue to embarrass KSA in OIC and in other fora or could be persuaded to drop the issue....
Sure, but that would put them securely in the opposing camp, after all the Iranians have nothing to write home about. I think Erdogan will be more circumspect.
 
Khashoggi's fiancée Hatice Cengiz took her campaign for justice to the UN Human Rights Council on Tuesday to ask for action to be taken in regards to the murder of Khashoggi.
www.cbc.ca/news/world/geneva-khashoggi-fiancee-un-report-1.5189073?cmp=rss
The fiancée of slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi took her campaign for justice in his killing to the United Nations' top human rights body Tuesday and urged the UN to take "the next step" following a key investigator's finding that Saudi Arabia bears responsibility.
She appeared at a "side event" organised by Canada to speak on the theme of "Silencing Dissent."
She appeared at a 90-minute council "side event" organized by Canada and hosted by advocacy group No Peace Without Justice. Cengiz provided one of several testimonials on the theme "Silencing Dissent."
She said that the report by UN investigator Agnes Callamard needed to be acted upon. See previous posts on this thread for more information on that report.
Speaking through a translator, Cengiz said the report needed to be acted upon and noted the crown prince may one day be Saudi Arabia's head of state.
"The report points to the fact that important Saudi officials, big officials, may have been involved," she said. "It says this should be pursued and it says that an international murder investigation should be opened."
Cengiz said that pressure needs to be applied by the international public to ensure that Khashoggi's murder isn't simply swept under the rug. She also said that she wants US president Trump to bring the issue up at the upcoming G20 meeting in Osaka, where bin Salman is expected to be present as a guest.
Cengiz said the "international public" needs to exert pressure to ensure the case isn't forgotten "and the United Nations needs to take this to the next step."
Cengiz said in a subsequent interview with The Associated Press that she wants U.S. President Donald Trump and other world leaders to press the issue at the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, where the crown prince is on the guest list.
"Saudi Arabia needs to take steps in order for us to find out the truth about this incident. They have to be punished in some way," Cengiz said. "This incident cannot remain unanswered."
Agnes Callamard was also present and said that the targetting killings of journalists and others is on the increase, and that impunity for those responsible has continued.
"The targeted killings of journalists, human rights defenders, dissenters more generally, is on the increase," she said. "The most worrying pattern is that impunity for those killings and the continuation of those killings [has] not gone down."
The UN Human Rights Council will be meeting on Wednesday, and Callamard is expected to present her report there. Saudi Arabia is one of the members of the Human Rights Council, and their delegation may give a reply to the report.
Saudi Arabia is among the 47 member states of the Human Rights Council, which opened its three-week summer session Monday. Callamard was expected to present her report formally to the council on Wednesday, and the Saudi delegation is entitled to give a reply.
When Trump was asked about the issue on Sunday, his reply was (paraphrasing) "but what about Iran!"
"Iran's killed many, many people a day. Other countries in the Middle East, this is a hostile place. This is a vicious, hostile place," said Trump. "If you're going to look at Saudi Arabia, look at Iran, look at other countries."
 
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Khashoggi's fiancée Hatice Cengiz took her campaign for justice to the UN Human Rights Council on Tuesday to ask for action to be taken in regards to the murder of Khashoggi.
www.cbc.ca/news/world/geneva-khashoggi-fiancee-un-report-1.5189073?cmp=rss


She appeared at a "side event" organised by Canada to speak on the theme of "Silencing Dissent."


She said that the report by UN investigator Agnes Callamard needed to be acted upon. See previous posts on this thread for more information on that report.


Cengiz said that pressure needs to be applied by the international public to ensure that Khashoggi's murder isn't simply swept under the rug. She also said that she wants US president Trump to bring the issue up at the upcoming G20 meeting in Osaka, where bin Salman is expected to be present as a guest.


Agnes Callamard was also present and said that the targetting killings of journalists and others is on the increase, and that impunity for those responsible has continued.


The UN Human Rights Council will be meeting on Wednesday, and Callamard is expected to present her report there. Saudi Arabia is one of the members of the Human Rights Council, and their delegation may give a reply to the report.


When Trump was asked about the issue on Sunday, his reply was (paraphrasing) "but what about Iran!"
Well that’s Canada back on the naughty step again.
 
Well that’s Canada back on the naughty step again.
Indeed, but then what will the UN do about Litvinenko, the attack on the UK, why doesn't the UN advocate the ultimate sanction about those? What about the senior chinese in Interpol-it's all a fundamental nonsense, means absolutely nothing except fine words and heavy pockets.
 
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Indeed, but then what will the UN do about Litvinenko, the attack on the UK, why doesn't the UN advocate the ultimate sanction about those? What about the senior chinese in Interpol-it's all a fundamental nonsense, means absolutely nothing except fine words and heavy pockets.
The UN is the sum of its parts. The only agency that has real teeth is the Security Council and the five permanent members (P5), consisting of UK, US, France, Russia and China. Given that a P5 member can veto any resolution, it ain’t going to change any time soon.
 
The UN is the sum of its parts. The only agency that has real teeth is the Security Council and the five permanent members (P5), consisting of UK, US, France, Russia and China. Given that a P5 member can veto any resolution, it ain’t going to change any time soon.
Of course it is and no it won't, so it' as all blether. Owning a P5:mrgreen:, perhaps I should put in an appearance:cool:
 
Indeed, but then what will the UN do about Litvinenko, the attack on the UK, why doesn't the UN advocate the ultimate sanction about those? What about the senior chinese in Interpol-it's all a fundamental nonsense, means absolutely nothing except fine words and heavy pockets.
Exactly, loads of hot air and important sounding titles writing grandiose documents, all achieving the square root of f all.
 
Well that’s Canada back on the naughty step again.
We were never off so far as the Saudis were concerned. They have still broken off diplomatic relations and are enforcing a trade embargo against us.

We will no doubt still be expected by our allies to show up and defend the Saudis though if and when the big war kicks off in the Persian Gulf.
 
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We were never off so far as the Saudis were concerned. They have still broken off diplomatic relations and are enforcing a trade embargo against us.

We will no doubt still be expected by our allies to show up and defend the Saudis though if and when the big war kicks off in the Persian Gulf.
Yes, time will tell who we really should be sorting out in the Gulf; and I don’t think it should be Iran.

Saudi Arabia is an odious country; I was there immediately after 9/11 and found very little to recommend it to anyone, including the locals.
 
Yes, time will tell who we really should be sorting out in the Gulf; and I don’t think it should be Iran.

Saudi Arabia is an odious country; I was there immediately after 9/11 and found very little to recommend it to anyone, including the locals.
Iran and Saudi Arabia are both problems, we mustn't lose sight of that. So long as they have oil and gas and we need oil and gas however, they are both problems we have to find a way to live with.

What we need to be careful to avoid is getting sucked into a war which does not serve our purpose but which would make Saudi Arabia the unchallenged power of the Persian Gulf and Middle East. That I think would be a very serious strategic mistake of the first order.

The big problem with Saudi Arabia at present seems to be the reckless and aggressive behaviour of bin Salman. Until his wings are clipped he will almost certainly continue to push the boundaries of what he can get away with further and further until disaster is met.
 
Yes, time will tell who we really should be sorting out in the Gulf; and I don’t think it should be Iran.

Saudi Arabia is an odious country; I was there immediately after 9/11 and found very little to recommend it to anyone, including the locals.
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I think this KSA plated conveyance suggests they revel in it.
 
When I was at Le Bourget last week, I wondered past the Saudi booth at the end of one day, wanted to find out more about their 2030 vision.

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Agnès Callamard, the UN investigator mentioned in previous posts, wants Canada to push to have the 2020 G20 summit moved out of Saudi Arabia, or at least to organise a boycott of it. This is to be in reaction to the murder of Jamal Khashoggi.
www.cbc.ca/news/politics/agnes-callamard-un-special-rapporteur-khashoggi-killing-saudi-arabia-g20-1.5202220?cmp=rss
A United Nations human rights expert says she will be asking the Canadian government to push to have the 2020 G20 Summit in Saudi Arabia relocated elsewhere — or to boycott it altogether.
She will also be talking to a number of other governments about this as well.
"I will be reaching out to a number of governments regarding the many recommendations I have made," Callamard told Power and Politics host Katie Simpson, adding that she plans to contact Canadian officials.

"The holding of the G20 in Saudi Arabia next year is a slap in the face of all those who have fought, and some of whom have died, for accountability and for human rights protection."
As you may recall, Callamard's report on the murder of Khashoggi said there was "credible evidence" connecting it to Mohammed bin Salman.
Last month, Callamard presented a report to the UN saying there was "credible evidence" linking the murder to powerful Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman,
Canada's foreign affairs ministry have said they intend to attend the upcoming summit.
A spokesperson for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland told CBC News that a Liberal government would attend the summit if it wins the upcoming fall election.
Canada's former ambassador to Saudi Arabia (who was expelled when Saudi Arabia broke off diplomatic relations last year) said that "G20 is not a democracy club" and that human rights issues don't belong there.
One former Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia said, however, that using the G20 to protest Khashoggi's murder might not be very effective.

"I think we have to remember the G20 is not a democracy club," Dennis Horak told Simpson. Horak was expelled from Saudi Arabia last summer as a diplomatic row between the two countries ramped up.
He went on to note that there are also countries such as Russia and China in the G20, and that if you try to start punishing countries for bad behaviour you will soon run out of countries to host it.
"You start looking at that and start trying to punish countries in the G20, you start quickly running out of countries to host it."
I suspect that other countries will take a similar position and that Callamard's efforts, laudable as they may be, will come to nought.
 
At a conference on press freedom in London on Wednesday the UK's envoy on media freedom Amal Clooney said that "journalists are under attack like never before" and said that "world leaders responded with little more than a collective shrug" to Khashoggi's murder.
www.cbc.ca/news/world/uk-canada-media-freedom-conference-1.5206325?cmp=rss
Human rights lawyer Amal Clooney accused world leaders Wednesday of failing to protect journalists and decried their "collective shrug" over the slaying of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi.

Clooney, the British government's envoy on media freedom, said at a conference in London on freedom of the press that "journalists are under attack like never before," not just while covering wars, but for exposing crime and corruption.

"The vast majority of these murders go unpunished," she said, adding "world leaders responded with little more than a collective shrug" to Khashoggi's killing by agents close to the Saudi crown prince.
Clooney's remarks too place at a conference initiated by UK foreign minister Jeremy Hunt and Canadian foreign minister Chrystia Freeland.
Clooney spoke at the opening day of a two-day conference initiated by U.K. Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.
Representatives from more than 100 countries were in attendance, although RT and Sputnik news were barred from attending by the UK government in continuing fall-out over the Salisbury affair.
Politicians, officials, activists and journalists from more than 100 countries were taking part — though two Russian news outlets have been banned. The British government says Sputnik and RT are barred because of "their active role in spreading disinformation."
 

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