Saudi Journalist Disappears in Saudi Consulate in Turkey

... and the UK has already started to make it clear that as long as the scapegoats are duly slaughtered they'll be doing the square root of damn all as far as any other action's concerned:

"We support the Turkish investigation into it and the British government will want to see people held to account for that death.”

... as has Germany:

"There is an urgent need to clarify what happened, ...We are far from having this cleared up and those responsible held to account ... As far as arms exports are concerned, those can’t take place in the current circumstances."

It's all about holding individuals to account ...
 
Erdogan has been playing this one quite quietly/cautiously, but now seems to be ramping up the pressure. It seems that the Crown Prince is looking more as though he will survive this, and he and Erdogan have not seem eye to eye.

Erdogan probably had hoped that he would be replaced, but now may settle for a little quiet blackmail for funds instead. As yet no verification of any of the headline grabbing grizzly details that raised such a worldwide commotion, so these can be revealed ...or conveniently ‘lost’... along with the corpse or ‘pieces’ that have most likely been well disposed of by now.

No body, no details, and time for the next big headline to get attention, and the matter will slowly recede.
 
Erdogan has been playing this one quite quietly/cautiously, but now seems to be ramping up the pressure. It seems that the Crown Prince is looking more as though he will survive this, and he and Erdogan have not seem eye to eye.

Erdogan probably had hoped that he would be replaced, but now may settle for a little quiet blackmail for funds instead. As yet no verification of any of the headline grabbing grizzly details that raised such a worldwide commotion, so these can be revealed ...or conveniently ‘lost’... along with the corpse or ‘pieces’ that have most likely been well disposed of by now.

No body, no details, and time for the next big headline to get attention, and the matter will slowly recede.
Erdogan had his chance to hold the Aces by either arresting 'the 15' on their way out or searching the Consulate when first invited, but he passed on both. I'd suggest that having passed up his chance to do either he's lost his chance of effective blackmail as the Saudis are already hanging the scapegoats out to dry and the more excuse they have for a swift trial and execution the better, so all he can do now is hope for some generosity. Not sure MbS is known for that, at least where Erdogan's concerned.
 
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This report from the BBC, describing a CNN report:

'Separately, CNN quoted a senior Turkish official as saying a Saudi agent had been captured on surveillance footage dressed as the journalist.

The video appears to show the man leaving the consulate by the back door on the day the journalist was killed, wearing Khashoggi's clothes, a fake beard and glasses, CNN said.'
 
This report from the BBC, describing a CNN report:

'Separately, CNN quoted a senior Turkish official as saying a Saudi agent had been captured on surveillance footage dressed as the journalist.

The video appears to show the man leaving the consulate by the back door on the day the journalist was killed, wearing Khashoggi's clothes, a fake beard and glasses, CNN said.'
Convincing

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There’s a video on BBC (from BBC Arabic Service) outlining other Saudi dissidents who have been abducted. All are princelings ; seems to be a form of Regicide ...
There was a video today on the BBC World Service which makes reference to a BBC Arabic Service report concerning the disapprarance of three Saudi princes, which I'm guessing is what you're referring to.

The recent reporting is poor, to put it mildly. It''s alleged in the more recent BBC World report that Prince Turki bin Sultan was 'offered a private jet by the Saudi Consulate in Paris to take him to Cairo' but it 'took him to Riyadh instead', and that nothing's known of what happened to them. Prince Turki bin Sultan is widely reported as having died six years ago, having been a KSA minister for the preceding 11 years!

The person they're referring to is evidently Prince Sultan bin Turki, not Prince Turki bin Sultan!

... some of these recent 'investigative reports' have been made 'in haste', at best.
 
From the Mod_RSS feed (A statement by the Foreign Secretary regarding this matter):

'Deputy Speaker, with your permission I will make a statement on the death of Jamal Khashoggi.

From the moment that he was reported missing after entering the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul on 2nd October, extremely disturbing reports emerged about his fate.

On Friday, we received confirmation that Mr Khashoggi had indeed suffered a violent death, and the Saudi foreign minister has since described it as murder.

The Government condemns his killing in the strongest possible terms. Today the thoughts and prayers of the whole House are with his fiancée, his family and his friends, who were left to worry for more than two weeks, only to have their worst fears confirmed.

After his disappearance, the Government made clear that Saudi Arabia must cooperate with Turkey and conduct a full and credible investigation. Anyone found responsible for any offence must be held fully accountable.

But on top of our concerns about the appalling brutality involved lie two other points. Firstly, Mr Khashoggi’s horrific treatment was inflicted by people who work for a government with whom we have close relations.

And secondly, as well as being a critic of the Saudi government, he was also a journalist.

At the time of his death, Mr Khashoggi wrote for the Washington Post and had contributed to the Guardian. Because in this country we believe in freedom of expression and a free media, the protection of journalists who are simply doing their jobs is of paramount concern.

On 9th October, I conveyed this message to the Saudi Ambassador in person and to the Saudi Foreign Minister by telephone. I instructed the British Ambassador in Riyadh to emphasise our strength of feeling to the Saudi government at every level.

Last week my Right Honourable Friend the International Trade Secretary cancelled his attendance at a forthcoming conference in Riyadh. On 17th October I met Fred Ryan, the Chief Executive of the Washington Post, and I spoke again to the Saudi Foreign Minister this weekend.

On Friday, the Saudi government released the preliminary findings of their investigation. They later announced the arrest of 18 people and the sacking of two senior officials, which is an important start to the process of accountability.

But I will say frankly to the House that the claim that Mr Khashoggi died in a fight does not amount to a credible explanation. There remains an urgent need to establish exactly what happened on 2nd October and thereafter.

The incident happened on Turkish soil, so it is right that the investigation is being led by the Government of Turkey.

They now need to establish who authorised the dispatch of 15 officials from Saudi Arabia to Turkey; when the government in Riyadh first learned of Mr Khashoggi’s death; what became of the body; why there was a delay in allowing Turkish investigators to enter the Consulate; and why it took until 19th October to disclose that Mr Khashoggi had died 17 days earlier.

This matters because only after a full investigation will it be possible to apportion responsibility and ensure that any crimes are punished following proper due process.

Last week I spoke to both my French and German counterparts and the House will have noticed the strong statement jointly released yesterday by Britain, France and Germany.

The actions Britain and our allies take will depend on two things: firstly the credibility of the final explanation given by Saudi Arabia, and secondly on our confidence that such an appalling episode cannot – and will not – be repeated. We will of course wait for the final outcome of the investigation before making any decisions.

Honourable Members know that we have an important strategic partnership with Saudi Arabia involving defence and security cooperation which has saved lives on the streets of Britain. We also have a trading partnership that supports thousands of jobs.

But whilst we will be thoughtful and considered in our response, I have also been clear that if the appalling stories we are reading turn out to be true, they are fundamentally incompatible with our values and we will act accordingly.

Indeed such reports are also incompatible with Saudi Arabia’s own stated goal of progress and renewal. That is why the extent to which Saudi Arabia is able to convince us that it remains committed to that progress will ultimately determine the response of the UK and its allies - and we will continue to convey our strength of feeling on the issue to every level of the Saudi leadership.

In his final column, published in the Washington Post after his death, Jamal Khashoggi lamented the lack of freedom of expression in the Arab world.

Let us make sure that the lessons learned and actions taken following his death at least progress and honour his life’s work.

I commend this statement to the House.'
 
Feck me chum. You need to stop taking offence so easily.

Anyone arrested or searched in the UK gets asked how they identify their ethnic origin.

It's a standard question.

Of course, when you are looking to start an argument or have some national inferiority complex it becomes some colonialist racist imperialist issue.
Imagine that British Home Secretary arrives to Moscow after invitation made by Russian government. Being accompanied by official from Russian MFA he is detained by police on the Red square. After body search he is asked - who is he - Aisan, African, Russian or other white?
What would be reaction of British mass media?
Do you think that high ranked Saudi official accompanied by FCO representative could be frisked and asked the same question?
 
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There will be the usual "strongly worded letter of protest" then its business as usual, we make too much money out of the camel shaggers for any other possible outcome.
I have heard that a half of British arms exports goes to the KSA.
 

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I’m on long term sick leave these days (lung cancer) so I idle my days at home or in hospital. I’ve e heard variations of this story before and thanks for passing it on; there was a flurry of denouncments after the coup attempt as people desperately tried to prove how Pro Erdogan they were; but it was an illegal coup and there was very little wider public support. There was a conspiracy involving Gülenists within the military and the police.
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know you, other than your postings on here, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I hope your prognosis is good and that you can make a swift recovery.
 
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know you, other than your postings on here, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I hope your prognosis is good and that you can make a swift recovery.
I also sincerely wish recovery as soon as possible. My Father died from Lung cancer on my hands. Alas it was detected on too late stage.
 
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know you, other than your postings on here, but I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I hope your prognosis is good and that you can make a swift recovery.
Thanks. I start immunotherapy shortly as the tumours will return to the lung (and probably the brain). I’m missing work but enjoying being at home sorting stuff out and pottering around in the shed. And commenting on Arrse.

Could be a lot worse; I could be a Saudi dissident or journalist.
 
Thanks. I start immunotherapy shortly as the tumours will return to the lung (and probably the brain). I’m missing work but enjoying being at home sorting stuff out and pottering around in the shed. And commenting on Arrse.

Could be a lot worse; I could be a Saudi dissident or journalist.

Good luck. I find your posts very illuminating.

It would seem there is little love lost between Ankara and Riyadh.
 
Have all of those in the Embassy been moved back to Saudi?

Is there anyone left who can spill the beans under fear of being an expendable?

I wonder when and how the 'press' will be reigned in, UK seems to be sitting comfortable on the fence incase those Eurofighters dont get purchased.

It seems an interesting shift could be upon us, Saudi align to Russia because they have no morals either, no questions asked sales of anything you want.

US stop buying Saudi oil, UK fracking means we dont need Russian gas....

Could become quite polarized.
What on earth makes you think anything meaningful will happen from our side?

Qahtani's are always the mugs...
 
Imagine that British Home Secretary arrives to Moscow after invitation made by Russian government. Being accompanied by official from Russian MFA he is detained by police on the Red square. After body search he is asked - who is he - Aisan, African, Russian or other white?
What would be reaction of British mass media?
Do you think that high ranked Saudi official accompanied by FCO representative could be frisked and asked the same question?
Are you for real?


Nope, didn't think so.


Sod off, Vlad.
 

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