Saudi Journalist Disappears in Saudi Consulate in Turkey

Well, this is a rumour service after all.

'Per CNN, however, the Saudis are preparing a report admitting that they intended to abduct and bring Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, but that he was inadvertently killed in the process. The report is intended, per CNN, to absolve the Saudi government of responsibility for the murder by claiming the operation was not cleared.

'CNN’s Arwa Damon reported from Istanbul that the report will most likely conclude “the operation was carried out without clearance and transparency, and that those involved will be held responsible.” Damon added that the Saudis’ report is still being prepared, and could change.'

BREAKING: CNN Reports Saudis Preparing to Admit Jamal Khashoggi Was Killed in ‘Interrogation Gone Wrong’
 
Well, this is a rumour service after all.

'Per CNN, however, the Saudis are preparing a report admitting that they intended to abduct and bring Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, but that he was inadvertently killed in the process. The report is intended, per CNN, to absolve the Saudi government of responsibility for the murder by claiming the operation was not cleared.

'CNN’s Arwa Damon reported from Istanbul that the report will most likely conclude “the operation was carried out without clearance and transparency, and that those involved will be held responsible.” Damon added that the Saudis’ report is still being prepared, and could change.'

BREAKING: CNN Reports Saudis Preparing to Admit Jamal Khashoggi Was Killed in ‘Interrogation Gone Wrong’
Oh my, does that mean they forget to remove his head from the water filled bucket? They really need to take lessons from us on how to waterboard a person and make sure they don't die........
 
Exposure to...or lack of, is indeed a very real factor in Saudi relations with the rest of the world. It has been a very insular and to an extent isolated society until comparatively recently. Initially by relative poverty and isolation, latterly hugely wealthy, by choice

I first went to Jeddah in 75 and was amazed by the insularity of Riyadh and other Saudi cities with the exception of Dhahran. This was explained by the fact that for Centuries Jeddah had been the main gateway for the Hajj, the largest global shift of people that occurs annually, and as such had a very eclectic mix of Saudi families who had initialy come from other countries, or Dahhran a seaport exposed to trade from the Indies.

The Bin-Ladins were intialy from Hydhramaut in Yemen, Mohammed, a prolific sire with nearly 60 children used to educate his children in batches sending them to various countries which gained them, as a family, insight into various different cultures and contacts. The Zahids who I worked for initialy from Persia did the same but educated the sons in various countries during their schooling so that each as an individual had exposure.

Other more ‘pure bred’, and less wealthy, did so less so the bulk of the population was for the most part traditionally Wahabi and fairly insulated from any external cultural influence. I saw huge changes in the over twenty years I spent there, both in their attitudes and in their own perceptions of how they stood vis a vi the rest of the world.

They are and I think will continue to be an important ally to the West but the relationship is a very delicate balancing act that requires some finesse in accommodating some radically different and sometimes diametrically opposed social attitudes and cultural values.
There was an interesting article in Sunday's observer about MBS. The author made the obvious point that in MBS we are dealing with someone who has only very rarely been refused anything; who is used to getting his own way; and by implication used to other world leaders behaving towards him with remarkable deference.
Well, this is a rumour service after all.

'Per CNN, however, the Saudis are preparing a report admitting that they intended to abduct and bring Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, but that he was inadvertently killed in the process. The report is intended, per CNN, to absolve the Saudi government of responsibility for the murder by claiming the operation was not cleared.

'CNN’s Arwa Damon reported from Istanbul that the report will most likely conclude “the operation was carried out without clearance and transparency, and that those involved will be held responsible.” Damon added that the Saudis’ report is still being prepared, and could change.'

BREAKING: CNN Reports Saudis Preparing to Admit Jamal Khashoggi Was Killed in ‘Interrogation Gone Wrong’
If that happens, the Turks can reasonably ask' Where's the body? The fiancé would like it for burial'
It will be interesting to see if anything can be produced. Accidentally killing him? Accidentally cutting him up...?
 
There was an interesting article in Sunday's observer about MBS. The author made the obvious point that in MBS we are dealing with someone who has only very rarely been refused anything; who is used to getting his own way; and by implication used to other world leaders behaving towards him with remarkable deference.

If that happens, the Turks can reasonably ask' Where's the body? The fiancé would like it for burial'
It will be interesting to see if anything can be produced. Accidentally killing him? Accidentally cutting him up...?
Well, he just fell into the wood chipper, as you do...
 
A new twist is now emerging.

"Kashoggi was in the Embassy, was being interrogated, however completely unintentionally it went too far and he ‘died’.

Yes it is true that he was possibly going to be smuggled out of the country back to Saudi Arabia after the results of the the initial interrogation was done, but he also could have been released based upon his replies.

Unfortunately no-one knew he had such a weak heart... which was confirmed by the quick autopsy conducted in the Embassy.

It was then decided that the best way to deal with the situation to cause least embarrassment to Turkey, was to remove the body back to Saudi for a quick burial as custom and religion demand."

The above scenario is of course sheer postulation by me. It may allow the King to to keep MBS out of the picture as it will logicaly have been under his orders the operation took place. The King had no knowledge of it, it was an unfortunate mistake, Allah willed it so.

Now however comes the delicate task of explaining a forensic pathologist on the team, and a bone saw in the luggage.
 
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A new twist is now emerging.

"Kashoggi was in the Embassy, was being interrogated, however completely unintentionally it went too far and he ‘died’.

Yes it is true that he was possibly going to be smuggled out of the country back to Saudi Arabia after the results of the the initial interrogation was done, but he also could have been released based upon his replies.

Unfortunately no-one knew he had such a weak heart... which was confirmed by the quick autopsy conducted in the Embassy.

It was then decided that the best way to deal with the situation to cause least embarrassment to Turkey, was to remove the body back to Saudi for a quick burial as custom and religion demand."

The above scenario is of course sheer postulation by me.

Now however comes the delicate task of explaining a forensic pathologist on the team, and a bone saw in the luggage.

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Pretty easy really! Due to budget cut backs.........
 
The boss back in KSA will need a patsy, as I remarked a while back in a discussion about Donald T, "Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when you really need him?".
 
The following is a rather interesting story of a Saudi dissident living in Canada who has been under the eye of Saudi intelligence and who was working with Jamal Khashoggi.
Quebec dissident believes Saudis used spyware to eavesdrop on his chats with Jamal Khashoggi | CBC News
"His voice was a headache for the Saudi government," said Omar Abdulaziz, a Canadian permanent resident and similarly vocal Saudi critic, in conversation with Wendy Mesley on The Weekly. Abdulaziz says he had been in frequent contact with Khashoggi over the past year — and now fears that relationship may have contributed to the danger Khashoggi faced.
Toronto based Citizen Lab, a well known digital rights organization operating at the University of Toronto had been investigating the use of spyware by foreign intelligence organizations, and had discovered that Omar Abdulaziz was under surveillance by a group who were likely the Saudi government.
A report published by the University of Toronto's Citizen Lab earlier this month found evidence that Abdulaziz had been targeted with powerful spyware only sold to governments, and concluded that Saudi authorities were "very likely" responsible.
The RCMP are currently investigating, but are not commenting on the case.
The RCMP is investigating, but declined to comment further.
The story was previously reported on in Canada, with details at the following links.
A Quebecer spoke out against the Saudis - then learned he had spyware on his iPhone | CBC News
The Kingdom Came to Canada: How Saudi-Linked Digital Espionage Reached Canadian Soil - The Citizen Lab

The Saudi government had hacked into Abdulaziz's phone, and were able to monitor his calls, copy his address book, copy his photos, take screenshots, and remotely activate his camera and microphone. This would let the Saudi government gather intelligence on other Saudi dissidents.
The spyware would have given its operators total control over Abdulaziz's phone, letting them eavesdrop on his calls, copy his address book and photos, take screenshots or videos of text messages, and remotely activate his camera and microphone — all unbeknownst to Abdulaziz.
"For sure, they listened to the conversation between me and Jamal and other activists, in Canada, in the States, in Turkey, in Saudi Arabia," he said.
Abdulaziz's brothers were recently arrested by the Saudi government.
Abdulaziz previously told CBC News that he was worried about what would happen to the people he communicated with while his phone was infected. His two brothers, along with several of his friends, were recently imprisoned by the Saudi Arabian government — an attempt at intimidation, he believes, aided by their intimate access to his phone.
Abdulaziz has been granted permanent residence in Canada, and attends university in Quebec. He has a large following on social media including YouTube and Twitter.
Abdulaziz has built a large following on social media. His YouTube videos and livestreams routinely garner tens of thousands of viewers, and hundreds of thousands follow him on Twitter. Every few minutes, a new Snapchat message comes in. Given his global audience, he believes the Saudis wanted to find a way to intimidate him into silence.
Now we get into the Khashoggi connection. Abdulaziz had been working on three projects with Khashoggi, including countering Saudi propaganda on social media and starting a web site on human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, with a focus on political prisoners.
Abdulaziz said he had been working with Khashoggi on three projects prior to his disappearance — one of which was an online campaign intended to counter the torrent of pro-regime propaganda that Abdualaziz said the Saudi government has encouraged on social media.

"Khashoggi promised me to sponsor the project and I guess they could listen in to those conversations," Abdulaziz said. "I told the Canadian authorities that it's a serious thing."

Khashoggi also wanted to start a website, based in the U.S., highlighting human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, with a focus on prisoners and activists.
Abdulaziz believes that the Saudis won't touch him while he is in Canada, and he says that Khashoggi believed he was safe while in the US. He thinks that this is why the Saudi government convinced Khashoggi that he needed to travel to the consulate in Istanbul to get the paperwork which would let him marry his Turkish fiancée.
Like Abdulaziz, Khashoggi believed that the Saudi government wouldn't be able to touch him while he was in North America, Abdulaziz said. He believes that is why Saudi authorities convinced Khashoggi he needed to travel to the consulate in Istanbul to obtain paperwork for his upcoming marriage to his Turkish fiancée.

"I do believe that they're not going to send someone to kill me or kidnap me from here, thank god," said Abdulaziz. "And they couldn't do the same thing to Jamal Khashoggi because he was in the States."
Abdulaziz said that the last time he talked with Khashoggi was on the 28th of September, before Khashoggi left the US.
The last time he spoke with Khashoggi was on Sept. 28, before Khashoggi left the U.S.
This may possibly provide part of the explanation as to why the Saudis decided to eliminate their Khashoggi problem at this time. They knew from monitoring Abdulaziz's phone that the two of them had plans in progress which would turn up the heat on the Saudi government's human rights record. They may have decided that this made the risk of silencing Khashoggi worth taking.
 
Accidentally killing him? Accidentally cutting him up...?
He was allegedly injected with an overdose of sedative by the two 'heavies' who dragged him from the reception area to another room, with the original pan being to sedate him and take him back to KSA.

Salah Tubaighy, the forensic expert, allegedly left on the second plane which (according to confirmed flight times) only left after Khashoggi had already gone into the Consulate and, according to the time plan, been killed. He could only have been 'damage limitation', not part of the original plan - it's increasingly apparent that it was an abduction / rendition that went wrong.

What's still totally unclear is who ordered it and why Khashoggi was stupid enough to go into the Consulate alone (twice, if he went in alone the previous week).
The King had no knowledge of it, it was an unfortunate mistake, Allah willed it so.
The King has alzheimer's and/or dementia and has had for some time, hence the attempts to oust him and the attempted coup against him and MbS on 21 April when MbS was reportedly shot, after which he wasn't seen in public for several weeks. The King's extremely unlikely to have had any knowledge of any abduction or even which day of the week it is, so how he could have had a direct conversation with Trump is a mystery (as is how Trump could be unaware or unadvised of the King's medical condition). When the King met Obama in 2015, for example, he told Obama that his wife (MbS' mother) was in New York for medical treatment when she wasn't in the US at all.

The King has, effectively, been out of the picture for two years - with the Trump administration backing MbS and hosting him at the White House even before he became Crown Prince.
 

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