Saudi Arabia to buy another 48 Eurofighter

#2
Well surely that vindicates Tony's decision to call off the Serious Fraud Office. Moral absolutes are only absolute in a relative sense. I wonder how smug the millionaire socialist Tony Blair is feeling now.
 
#3
Perhaps they can be persuaded to buy another 232 and we could then either buy some JSF for the new carriers or maybe even something that would have utility in our current theatres of operation?
 
#4
Hmmm ... American article, so we accept that a fact?

However, I do like Ethel's idea of possibly giving the Saudi's some of the RAF's production ... unless things have gone too far contractually to allow re-labelling airframes on the production line. Certainly some re-appraisal of the RAF's buy might [I emphasise might] be appropriate in view of the changed world.

But please let's not end up with loads of different aircraft types, all with different requirements for training, support, maintenance, hardware/software ... and with different capabilities.
 
#5
The news does seem a bit sudden, Strategy Page are usually fairly reliable....and fairly Redneck for that matter! I've just Googled the topic and it's being reported elsewhere.
FT
Saudis in talks for 72 Typhoons

By Sylvia Pfeifer and Stephen Fidler in London

Published: August 11 2008 03:00 | Last updated: August 11 2008 03:00

Saudi Arabia has begun discussions to buy a second batch of Eurofighter Ty-phoons in what could lead to another multi-billion pound order for BAE Systems.

The Saudi Royal Air Force already has 72 Typhoons on order from the UK government under an agreement signed last September and which are being built by BAE, Britain's largest arms contractor. The Gulf kingdom could buy as many as 72 more of the multi-role aircraft, an adviser to the Saudi government confirmed last night.

Talks on the new deal have been under way for several months, but defence industry sources said they had been accelerated in the wake of a decision by the House of Lords last month on alleged bribery involving an earlier arms deal with Saudi Arabia.

The Lords ruled the Serious Fraud Office had been right to drop its investigation into alleged bribery involving the £43bn ($82.5bn) Al-Yamamah arms deal signed between Britain and Saudi Arabia in 1985. Under the deal BAE, as the main contractor, provided Tornado aircraft and valuable support and maintenance.

The deal has been dogged by controversy, although BAE has always denied any wrongdoing.

A second Eurofighter deal could ease the budget crisis that has engulfed the UK's Ministry of Defence as it seeks to divert some of this third tranche of aircraft. The department is committed to taking delivery of another 88 aircraft from the third production run under the contract with the four-nation consortium that makes them.

The nations - Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain - have been locked in talks for months over this third tranche.

The initial 72 aircraft order, known as Project Salam, was worth £4.3bn, with the contract value likely to grow to £20bn once support and maintenance are included.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008
 
#6
without wishing to go too much against the grain here, I would think that the RAF should be applauded for its foresight in getting an iron-clad contract in place before the labour governemnt started disbanding HM armed forces. If only the navy had done the same, they wouldn't now be left with, well, not very much!
 
#7
Are these British sales or are we selling on behalf of the consortium-never mind who gets to punt their tranche?
 
#8
Strategypage, reliable? Well, I suppose that the basic stories are usually fairly close, but the detail ranges from poor to appalling.
 
#9
Still, there seems to be an implication that the RAF might be able to move some of their orders sideways [the only way to go :lol: ].

And Project Salam to you, Kingdom of Saud ... phew ^^\'
 
#11
blue-sophist said:
Hmmm ... American article, so we accept that a fact?

However, I do like Ethel's idea of possibly giving the Saudi's some of the RAF's production ... unless things have gone too far contractually to allow re-labelling airframes on the production line. Certainly some re-appraisal of the RAF's buy might [I emphasise might] be appropriate in view of the changed world.

But please let's not end up with loads of different aircraft types, all with different requirements for training, support, maintenance, hardware/software ... and with different capabilities.
It's changing by the hour in Georgia....
 
#12
Given events in Georgia this week I would suggest that the RAF will have a pretty good case for keeping the whole 232 on order and not punting some off to the Saudi's. A few other countries in Europe will also now be reviewing their defence strategies as well.
 
#13
The Eurofighter group has said no plans have currently been made to cut anybodies order, however, just as with the first batch that SA signed on for, we will probably give them some of our slots in the queue so they can get their planes nice and early

I don't know why people on this board seem intent on cutting our eurofighter procurement, frankly 232 is actually rather less than we need, no matter how many f-35s we get, remember we need to replace Tornado, Harrier (incuding the Sea Harriers that Broon binned early so he could sell them to india), and Jaguar (again binned too early), the RAF and FAA should operate a total of roughly 600 fast jets (about 90 for the FAA), right now it looks like we'll be lucky to get 400, so stop bloody moaning.
 
#14
The more we sell outside the consortium the cheaper the unit price, isn't that correct? Oh yes, I believe India are getting their Jaguars upgraded btw.
 
#15
I have to say given the sorry record of our current administration, it wouldn't be at all surprising if it was the RAF production that is being sold off.

Let’s face it this excuse for a government have more in common with Moscow than they do with London. Donning the tin foil would it really be beyond them to actively weaken British defence for their greater purpose and ideals?

YM
 
#17
As far as I'm aware, Typhoon will be doing CAS, and I'll wager that it'll be far more effective than the A-10........and not just for GB's aerospace industry!!!

The idea is that it's due to replace the role of the F3 and the Jaguar. JSF will replace the Harrier, though to my knowledge there is nothing in the pipeline to replace the GR4 - I'd imagine the typhoon will have to take this role also.
 
#20
codbutt said:
That's tranche 3 for the RAF gone then. And good riddance! Go and buy something that does close air support like A-10.
So you want to Buy something old and slow, with worse high speed and low speed handling instead of something which we already have in service, handles better, can do everything the A-10 can and more and doesn't involve the cost of re-opening a production line.

I mean you do realise that the americans are spending almost as much as the cost of Tranche 3 just to keep the A-10 in service, the Unit cost with inflation for an A-10C would probably be more than the F-35 (which is a damn pricey beast) especially given our order numbers.

Oh, and just how many friendly fire incidents (and near misses) has the A-10 been involved in compared to real fast air? That damn cannon does more harm than good IMO
 

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