SASR "Execute" unarmed Afghan

Nato123

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Hmmmm - Crawling up to a body to cut off bits in the middle of a firefight ? Yes, the Argentines did fire back. Stuffing the bits in your empty mag pouches ( wtf are your mags n frags ? ). Wow. Really ?
Mutilating the dead is of course abhorrent and indefensible. However I'm a tad sceptical. Not because we're the sweetest smelling army ever, but because the tempo of ops in Corporate meant there was plenty to do other than cut off bits. I could be wrong here, but I thought burial details were echelon, as the front line bods would be digging in and stabilising the new front line.

There's always time for a bit of looting and mayhem if you organised/motivated enough :) .... still agree with you though.
 

Cutaway

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Hmmmm - Crawling up to a body to cut off bits in the middle of a firefight ? Yes, the Argentines did fire back. Stuffing the bits in your empty mag pouches ( wtf are your mags n frags ? ). Wow. Really ?
Mutilating the dead is of course abhorrent and indefensible. However I'm a tad sceptical. Not because we're the sweetest smelling army ever, but because the tempo of ops in Corporate meant there was plenty to do other than cut off bits. I could be wrong here, but I thought burial details were echelon, as the front line bods would be digging in and stabilising the new front line.
How long do you think it takes to slice off an ear ?
It's not brain surgery.
 

Cutaway

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aardvark64

Old-Salt
No idear.
Nod's as good as a wink to a blind elk?

ETA: The scandis' involvement in Afghan was examined quite closely after this film was produced:
Their approach is somewhat different.
 
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soleil

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The Times

Australian soldier ‘filmed killing unarmed Afghan’ suspended from duty


"A special forces soldier filmed killing an unarmed Afghan civilian in 2012 has been suspended by the Australian military and referred to police by the country’s defence minister.

Footage of the killing, captured by a fellow commando’s helmet camera, has shocked Australia after being aired this week. However, officials have failed to explain why they waited eight years to identify and act against the SAS trooper, who was still serving up to this week.

The leaking of the footage came as Australia’s special forces await the outcome of a judicial inquiry into up to 55 separate incidents during the Australian deployment to Afghanistan, mostly involving alleged unlawful killings or cruel treatment.

The video was recorded during a village raid in Oruzgan province in May 2012. The soldier called out to his commander: “Do you want me to drop this c***?” He then appears to shoot the man three times at a range of less than two metres as the civilian cowers on the ground, holding what look like red prayer beads.

When Afghan villagers later complained about the death of the 25-year-old father of two, an Australian military investigation accepted the soldier’s claim that he killed the man lawfully in self defence.

The Australian Defence Force (ADF) said in a statement issued last night that the soldier had been identified and suspended from duty.

It did not say why the video evidence of the shooting recorded on its own equipment in 2012 and aired this week by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) had not been acted upon previously.

“The Australian Defence Force conducts its operations under strict rules of engagement and promotes a culture of ethical and lawful behaviour,” the defence statement said.

The defence minister, Linda Reynolds, said today she had referred the soldier’s “alleged serious criminal misconduct” to police.

A former Australian SAS signals intelligence specialist, Braden Chapman, this week alleged to the ABC that some fellow Australians routinely shot villagers’ dogs, destroyed property and planted radios and guns on the bodies of dead Afghans so they could claim the killings to be lawful.

A supreme court judge acting on behalf of the inspector general of the ADF is nearing completion of a four-year investigation into scores of allegations of unlawful killings and cruelty at the hands of Australian special forces in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016.

The investigation has been conducted in deep secrecy. The latest annual report of the inspector general said the inquiry was not focused on decisions made in the “heat of battle”, but on “the treatment of persons who were clearly non-combatants or who were no longer combatants”. The inquiry has interviewed more than 330 witnesses and has travelled to Afghanistan.

Ms Reynolds said the report would soon be completed and handed to the chief of the ADF.

Chris Barrie, a retired admiral who served as chief of the defence force from 1998 to 2002, told the ABC he was "shocked" watching the footage this week. "The man was not armed, the man was in a docile situation, and he was shot," Mr Barrie said. "Which, if this was to happen on the streets in Australia, would be a simple case of murder."

The Afghan embassy issued a statement saying they were "deeply saddened" by the footage and wanted an investigation. "The embassy calls for a complete, impartial and timely investigation of these allegations and trusts the Australian judicial system in this regard," it said.

Scott Morrison, the prime minister, described the broadcast as "shocking and alarming"."

 
Routinely shot dogs ?
My uncle did that in WW2 Burma as a sure fire way to stop getting rabies. Iirc, it was done in Vietnam too. Silenced Ruger "Hush puppy". Dog stops barking so as not to alert nasties.
Planting arms and radios ? No one take down the s/ns of kit found on ene ? Soon find out if there's a time travelling AK-47.
 

Nato123

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The Times

Australian soldier ‘filmed killing unarmed Afghan’ suspended from duty


"A special forces soldier filmed killing an unarmed Afghan civilian in 2012 has been suspended by the Australian military and referred to police by the country’s defence minister.

Footage of the killing, captured by a fellow commando’s helmet camera, has shocked Australia after being aired this week. However, officials have failed to explain why they waited eight years to identify and act against the SAS trooper, who was still serving up to this week.

The leaking of the footage came as Australia’s special forces await the outcome of a judicial inquiry into up to 55 separate incidents during the Australian deployment to Afghanistan, mostly involving alleged unlawful killings or cruel treatment.

The video was recorded during a village raid in Oruzgan province in May 2012. The soldier called out to his commander: “Do you want me to drop this c***?” He then appears to shoot the man three times at a range of less than two metres as the civilian cowers on the ground, holding what look like red prayer beads.

When Afghan villagers later complained about the death of the 25-year-old father of two, an Australian military investigation accepted the soldier’s claim that he killed the man lawfully in self defence.

The Australian Defence Force (ADF) said in a statement issued last night that the soldier had been identified and suspended from duty.

It did not say why the video evidence of the shooting recorded on its own equipment in 2012 and aired this week by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) had not been acted upon previously.

“The Australian Defence Force conducts its operations under strict rules of engagement and promotes a culture of ethical and lawful behaviour,” the defence statement said.

The defence minister, Linda Reynolds, said today she had referred the soldier’s “alleged serious criminal misconduct” to police.

A former Australian SAS signals intelligence specialist, Braden Chapman, this week alleged to the ABC that some fellow Australians routinely shot villagers’ dogs, destroyed property and planted radios and guns on the bodies of dead Afghans so they could claim the killings to be lawful.

A supreme court judge acting on behalf of the inspector general of the ADF is nearing completion of a four-year investigation into scores of allegations of unlawful killings and cruelty at the hands of Australian special forces in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016.

The investigation has been conducted in deep secrecy. The latest annual report of the inspector general said the inquiry was not focused on decisions made in the “heat of battle”, but on “the treatment of persons who were clearly non-combatants or who were no longer combatants”. The inquiry has interviewed more than 330 witnesses and has travelled to Afghanistan.

Ms Reynolds said the report would soon be completed and handed to the chief of the ADF.

Chris Barrie, a retired admiral who served as chief of the defence force from 1998 to 2002, told the ABC he was "shocked" watching the footage this week. "The man was not armed, the man was in a docile situation, and he was shot," Mr Barrie said. "Which, if this was to happen on the streets in Australia, would be a simple case of murder."

The Afghan embassy issued a statement saying they were "deeply saddened" by the footage and wanted an investigation. "The embassy calls for a complete, impartial and timely investigation of these allegations and trusts the Australian judicial system in this regard," it said.

Scott Morrison, the prime minister, described the broadcast as "shocking and alarming"."


Well it wasn't 'on the streets of Oz', so he can feck off....they'd be better off investigation why they sent their men out there to start with.


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Routinely shot dogs ?
My uncle did that in WW2 Burma as a sure fire way to stop getting rabies. Iirc, it was done in Vietnam too. Silenced Ruger "Hush puppy". Dog stops barking so as not to alert nasties.
Planting arms and radios ? No one take down the s/ns of kit found on ene ? Soon find out if there's a time travelling AK-47.
F*ck me - I'm a matelot, and even I've heard of "drop weapons".
 

QRK2

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Never trust a matelot with anything smaller than a 4 inch gun.
Recollections of being with an RN Officer when he got a bit of abuse for not being particularly competent on his WHT with the rifle at Chilwell. "Well I haven't seen one of these since Dartmouth but I am qualified to fire Trident."
 
Routinely shot dogs ?
My uncle did that in WW2 Burma as a sure fire way to stop getting rabies. Iirc, it was done in Vietnam too. Silenced Ruger "Hush puppy". Dog stops barking so as not to alert nasties.
Planting arms and radios ? No one take down the s/ns of kit found on ene ? Soon find out if there's a time travelling AK-47.
Apologies for the thread drift, on the subject of shooting dogs, can anyone remember the name given to the teams that were given the task of killing stray & feral packs of dogs ?
 

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Aiming to shoot at the top of the head so that the skull splits in two.

Not necessarily "illegal" but an interesting indication as to how these men went about their business.

In O'Neill's book, he talks about having to push both sides of Bin Laden's head together so that they can make a vis ID.

Note - in the following article it's called "canoeing". You may or may not want to read it: the intercept is not hugely "pro-America" but none the less sources it's articles and provides a coherent narrative

 
The afghans don’t really use dogs the same way we do, they’re often just a home security system and are pretty nasty bastards. Sometimes theyll get shot.

bit of a misdemeanour (or in many cases completely justified) and not really in the same league as regularly killing unarmed civvies and planting weapons and radios on them.
 

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