Sarko tells it like it is....ooops....quelle horreur !

America and the French......

  • Need each other like a fish needs a bicycle

    Votes: 12 29.3%
  • Are a threat to Israels existence

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Love each other really - donnez moi mon MacDo/pass the croissants Jaques

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • Both know a dodgy con-artist when they meet him....

    Votes: 25 61.0%

  • Total voters
    41

Goatman

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#1
Oh dearie me....

SOURCE

It is par for the course for politicians to brand each other liars, whether publicly or in reported speech....but Barry O' Barmer's rueful response says much about the US administration's weariness with Bibi's ways.....if Brit politicians and FCO types agonise over our alleged Special Relationship, I wonder how this goes down with the Sabras......


Shame - it seemed the US were genuinely trying for a bit of rapprochement with France after the silliness that has governed their relationship since 2003.....

Sarkozy called Israeli PM Netanyahu 'liar'

The comments - embarrassing for President Sarkozy - have only just emerged French President Nicolas Sarkozy called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a "liar" in remarks to US President Barack Obama overheard by journalists.

"I can't see him anymore, he's a liar," Mr Sarkozy said in French.

"You may be sick of him, but me, I have to deal with him every day," Mr Obama replied.

The exchange at the G20 summit was quoted by a French website, Arret sur Images, and confirmed by other media.

The remarks - during a private conversation - were overheard by a few journalists last week but were not initially reported, the BBC's Christian Fraser in Paris says.

For several days there was media silence in France about the exchange - a decision had been taken not to embarrass the French president, our correspondent says.

A correspondent for Le Monde newspaper referred to the conversation without the quotes. But Israeli newspapers have reported it in full.

It is said Mr Obama was taking Mr Sarkozy to task for voting in favour of the Palestinian bid for full membership of the UN cultural organisation, Unesco, a bid that was approved despite American opposition
The Torygraph's take is here....
 

Goatman

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#3
Que? my Chapeau-d'ally is on the fritz again ...... say again all after 'One' ?
 

Travelgall

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#4
Is this the same man who called the end to the Anglo Saxon economic model at the G20 two years ago? The man's a blithering idiot, he should stick to banging his fried egg fronted wife. Mr Netanyahu may or may not be guilty as charged, but this pocket sized fool is hardly who we should be listening to - or anyone else Gallic regarding Semitic relations. The French hate Jewish people, whilst the Danes were hiding them in their homes the Vichy were shipping the Jews off in Boxcars - before the Germans had even bothered to ask. It was the French actions during the Dreyfus Affair that kickstarted Theodor Herzl's desire for a Jewish homeland free of anti-semitic Frogs in the first place.

Asking France about Israeli relations isn't that far off asking the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

"A decision had been taken not to embarrass the French President". Another win for the fearless press. The French press were probably worried Sarkozy was stealing their Op-Ed.
 

Goatman

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#5
You , Sir, take the langue-de-chat for the speediest use of the Nazi card in any Internet discussion this side of Proletarski.......Bravo Zulu that travel galled and refractory one.... in the spirit of the alleged Monty Python team's management style ' Right - everone who agrees with me say ' Sarkozy is a pint-sized Petainiste'....carried ? '
 

Travelgall

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#6
I'm not usually the first to draw down Godwins Law, but the French really hate Jewish people (in their defence they're not that fond of anybody else either). If it had been the Danish or Dutch PM then I would be suprised.
 
#8
But I think the point is not whether the Frogs hate or don't hate the jews, it's about the US dog being wagged by the Israeli tail.
This just highlights it.
 
#9
I have just looked at this in La Vanguardia and the translation is different.

According to this Sarky says "I can't stand him. He's a liar." Different from the version in the English newspapers and seems to make more sense.
 
#10
But I think the point is not whether the Frogs hate or don't hate the jews, it's about the US dog being wagged by the Israeli tail.
This just highlights it.
Agreed, at least French foreigh policy is their own.

The US gets its ME policy from Israel. Paradoxically this may be a good thing as the alternative is the US coming up with one on its own.

Just kidding. Both are scary prospects.
 
#11
Sarko is Hungarian by blood isn't he? I have investigated by having him followed...ok ok i checked wiki...and he has Jewish blood himself. Oy vey.

Family backgroundMain article: Family history of Nicolas Sarkozy
Sarkozy is a Frenchman of mixed national and ethnic ancestry. He is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa (Hungarian: nagybócsai Sárközy Pál [nɒɟ͡ʝboːt͡ʃɒi ʃaːrkøzi paːl] ( listen); in some sources Nagy-Bócsay Sárközy Pál István Ernő),[6] a Hungarian aristocrat,[7] and Andrée Jeanne "Dadu" Mallah (b. Paris, 12 October 1925), who is of French Catholic and Greek Jewish origin.[8][9] They were married at Saint-François-de-Sales, Paris XVII, on 8 February 1950 and divorced in 1959.
I think you'll find plenty of Jews are well pissed off with the way Israel is behaving. But every time they say something remotely critical, they're branded "self-hating" by the more Zionist types.
 
#12
Well Bibi is untrustworthy, Barry knows that. He's repeatedly broken promises to DC throughout his career. Barry has been scolded by him in public but wearily has to deal with him. At the moment Bibi won't even give DC an assurance that he'll let them know before sending the IAF off to Iran and dragging DC into another costly war.

Sarko is often an idiot, all he's doing here is expressing frank exasperation with Bibi to a colleague who probably feels it much more deeply. Bill Clinton was often driven to despair by the man even while pandering to him.

Incidentally the little man was also not wrong about the "Anglo Saxon Economic Model" in 09, that appears to be heading into another banking crisis and as surely down the shitter with the Continental one. Only well regulated Canada is looking at all secure.
 

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#13
But I think the point is not whether the Frogs hate or don't hate the jews, it's about the US dog being wagged by the Israeli tail.
This just highlights it.
:thumright:

At some point, under some administration, the 233M US citizens who DON'T have an emotional connection to Tel Aviv are surely gonna ask why it is that their foreign policy is determined there ......no, I'm only joking - and will get my black leather trenchcoat..... ( " von Smallhausen! - put the Fraulein down and bring my stick")


Ahem ....and never forget (as I'm sure Barry O'Barmer is never allowed to) that the New Hampshire primary date has just been announced......2012 is an election year Over Yonder......


( I remain indebted to FMP for the attached extrait which may strike the right note for the upcoming ex-Pres....)

Françoise Hardy - Comment Te Dire Adieu? (Français / Español subs) - YouTube
 
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pp0470

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#14
I am amazed at this reported exchange!

Do i understand correctly?

A US president that can converse in a foriegn language? I'm impressed!

(Although you have to go back to Roosevelt for a President fluent in a foriegn language)
 
#15
there is this phrase in colloquial street arabic, charta barta. and if anyone exemplifies
middle eastern charta barta culture its bibi netanyahu. fits right in to the region.,
everyone of note does it to a greater or lesser extent. saddam hussein was at it all the
time, and the dinner jacket in iran is at it now. the polite term in arabic is teqiyah, roughly
translated dissimulation.
the us ambassador to egypt noted this too (see wikileaks), when netanyahu and mubarak would meet.
all the platitudes and drivel. it's not as if his position is not clear and stated, really.
but netanyahu's charta barta is well appreciated, at least in the middle-east, where such
camouflage, such beating around the bush, is normative.

HOW EVER: the observation from the president of the islamic republic of france was in reply
to obama's question as to why france voted against the usa at the un concerning recent
pal activity (statehood). there was no policy discussion from sarkozy, (which is, really,
we the french government are automatically against your interests when we can be, look at the home we gave
to ayahtolla khomeni, yasser and suha arafat etc.) what was asked by obama, quite
politely.

what obama got was a personal attack on the head of government of a u.s. ally, rather than
any policy illumination.

it was actually obama who was insulted (bibi netanyahu knows what he's doing).
 
#16
Is this the same man who called the end to the Anglo Saxon economic model at the G20 two years ago? The man's a blithering idiot, he should stick to banging his fried egg fronted wife. Mr Netanyahu may or may not be guilty as charged, but this pocket sized fool is hardly who we should be listening to - or anyone else Gallic regarding Semitic relations. The French hate Jewish people, whilst the Danes were hiding them in their homes the Vichy were shipping the Jews off in Boxcars - before the Germans had even bothered to ask. It was the French actions during the Dreyfus Affair that kickstarted Theodor Herzl's desire for a Jewish homeland free of anti-semitic Frogs in the first place.

Asking France about Israeli relations isn't that far off asking the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

"A decision had been taken not to embarrass the French President". Another win for the fearless press. The French press were probably worried Sarkozy was stealing their Op-Ed.
Utter bullshit. As Sarko's mother is Jewish, SO IS SARKO, under rabbinical law. I believe the dishonest and slimy smear you're looking for is "self-hating Jew" (as opposed to antisemite). All the disingenuous canards and Nazi smears in the world will not change the fact that Nutanyahoo is a dangerous, lying psychopath, and proves it every time he opens his mouth.
 
#18
Is this the same man who called the end to the Anglo Saxon economic model at the G20 two years ago? The man's a blithering idiot, he should stick to banging his fried egg fronted wife. Mr Netanyahu may or may not be guilty as charged, but this pocket sized fool is hardly who we should be listening to - or anyone else Gallic regarding Semitic relations. The French hate Jewish people, whilst the Danes were hiding them in their homes the Vichy were shipping the Jews off in Boxcars - before the Germans had even bothered to ask. It was the French actions during the Dreyfus Affair that kickstarted Theodor Herzl's desire for a Jewish homeland free of anti-semitic Frogs in the first place.

Asking France about Israeli relations isn't that far off asking the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

"A decision had been taken not to embarrass the French President". Another win for the fearless press. The French press were probably worried Sarkozy was stealing their Op-Ed.

France's new president, Nicolas Sarkozy, lost 57 members of his family to the Nazis and comes from a long line of Jewish and Zionist leaders and heroes, writes RAANAN ELIAZ.

IN an interview Nicolas Sarkozy gave in 2004, he expressed an extraordinary understanding of the plight of the Jewish people for a home: “Should I remind you the visceral attachment of every Jew to Israel, as a second mother homeland? There is nothing outrageous about it. Every Jew carries within him a fear passed down through generations, and he knows that if one day he will not feel safe in his country, there will always be a place that would welcome him. And this is Israel.”

Sarkozy’s sympathy and understanding is most probably a product of his upbringing it is well known that Sarkozy’s mother was born to the Mallah family, one of the oldest Jewish families of Salonika, Greece.

Sarkozy's Jewish roots (May 8, 2007)


Try again.
 

Goatman

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#19
( tumbleweed blows past........windy noise off......pro-Bibi voices noticeable by their absence......)

Well said that Poilu and others above, too, as well, also.

I was slightly astonished to be pinged by an unknown pro-Israel academic earlier this week ernestly seeking to educate me about the dire threat posed by a nuclear-armed Iran.... I asked him about Dimona.....more silence....

(Is it me or are AIPAC and their clones just, like, EVERYWHERE? Bit like Man U. fans :) ) :ban:
 
#20
:thumright:

At some point, under some administration, the 233M US citizens who DON'T have an emotional connection to Tel Aviv are surely gonna ask why it is that their foreign policy is determined there ......no, I'm only joking - and will get my black leather trenchcoat..... ( " von Smallhausen! - put the Fraulein down and bring my stick")
...
Ah but unlike the French many Septics do have an emotional connection to the Zionist project and Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state. That's finally why Barry feels he has to make kowtow to slippery Bibi.

A couple of hundred thousand American kids getting killed and maimed in WWII only made a wit of sense to baffled Septics after the death camps were discovered. Then it became the "good war" rather than just some shady old country business FDR finessed them into. Now they've got the Holocaust museum, snuggled up to the National Mall along with the shrines of victimhood for Vietnam and the Civil War. it's as central to American identity as rampant antisemitism once was.
 

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