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Sounds the same type of OCdt - he told me his Pl Comd (PARA not long back from the Falklands) absolutely detested him, and no unit would take him on the Unit Selection Boards

Then it’s not the same guy.

My course was just a little bit too early - the FI happened during my SMC so none of our DS were involved. And I don’t remember any Para DS in New College at the time.

I can only assume that, once the precedent was set, it became the, er, ‘final solution’ for someone like that.

I seem to remember our lad was even at one point lined up to be an RAMC administrator...
 
Back in the midst of time the RAOC was used - perhaps unofficially- as the clearing house. If you missed your first and second choices you were given the “there’s nothing soft about the Woman’s Auxiliary Balloon Corps” speech about the RAOC. I think if RAOC officers could specialise as ATO they might have had more takers, but as we know, the ATO badge is the ‘hobby’ badge.

We had one OCdt on my course (SMC29, commissioned in August 82) who was rejected by the RAOC. IIRC he was officially commissioned into the ‘General Service Corps’ (which is the capbadge on those snowflakes’ posters) but then taken by the RPC. Apparently the first Sandhurst Officer the chunkies had had in a generation. Last I heard he had done every course under the sun (including an MBA apparently) and was doing ok.
There was a Chunkie on SMC 14 who I rather think is a Regimental Colonel with them (RPC) currently. Vividly remember him and the Old College Guard being rifted by the then Academy Adjutant Major R Corbett IG.
He refused to allow a drunken Princess and her husband Foggy in to the the grounds via the staff college gate. He was totally in the right as neither had ID cards, but HRH was displeased!
It was quite entertaining once the flak had died down, and over the 44 years she's come a long way from the brat she was then.
 
Every capbadge has its own culture, but simply that you can't see yourself breaking bread with someone in, for example, the Corsham Travelodge strikes me as both outdated and bizarre.

Back in the day I think that described the attitude of most* of the Household Division, the RGJ, the cavalry, some of the Highland Division and many of the county regiments.

The Paras of course would have already been banned from the Corsham Travelodge...

* I found the Blues and Royals tone refreshingly different. Although one of their subbies famously claimed ‘field conditions’ for having to stay in a Sapper mess whilst attending a course :)
 
There was a Chunkie on SMC 14 who I rather think is a Regimental Colonel with them (RPC) currently. Vividly remember him and the Old College Guard being rifted by the then Academy Adjutant Major R Corbett IG.
He refused to allow a drunken Princess and her husband Foggy in to the the grounds via the staff college gate. He was totally in the right as neither had ID cards, but HRH was displeased!
It was quite entertaining once the flak had died down, and over the 44 years she's come a long way from the brat she was then.

Regimental Colonel? I’m older than Methuselah and I was 15 SMCs after that! Plus they were amalgamated into the RLC...

I think I heard the story about HRH though. I certainly remember being told they had to lower some of the sleeping policemen because her Scimitar couldn’t clear them...
 

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There you go then, a bullying Pl Comd. What a surprise...
I don't know the whole truth of the story, although I did serve later with the said Pl Comd and he seemed okay to me. Who knows?
 
There is a thread on here called the 'Curse of the sword'. It looks at those who gained the ultimate accolade at Sandhurst and what they then went onto achieve, if at all.
There are many people who have passed through the hallowed portals, played the game, worn the command badge and passed out only to be a total disaster. Sandhurst as many on here know is quite different from life in a Regiment or Battalion.
 
Regimental Colonel? I’m older than Methuselah and I was 15 SMCs after that! Plus they were amalgamated into the RLC...

I think I heard the story about HRH though. I certainly remember being told they had to lower some of the sleeping policemen because her Scimitar couldn’t clear them...
Have a look at the RPC association, the clue is JS. He probably was RLC, I was out the trap and a civvie fighting for the Scottish Regiments at the time.
 
Have a look at the RPC association, the clue is JS. He probably was RLC, I was out the trap and a civvie fighting for the Scottish Regiments at the time.
I believe JS was RPC from commissioning, a very entertaining individual, the tale you recount above sounds just like him.
 
I believe JS was RPC from commissioning, a very entertaining individual, the tale you recount above sounds just like him.
Yes he was, John was a delightful guy. Like the crowd on the balcony, I was on the Guard that day, and it was great to have been one of the prowlers at the time. Unfortunately HRH used the Academy as a great big pony stabling yard and foggy traipsed around as a foppish QDG.
Saw HRH a few years later when I was on the radio link at The Badminton Horse Trials, they brought in some young chaps to spruce up the comms and discipline on the cross country course. One of my colleagues was Henry Worsley of Them and Polar fame - a delight. HRH was again throwing her toys out of the cot after a negative experience with the water jump, the reporter got a verbal two barrels from her. She was cruel!
 

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The thing that struck me about the september intake i joined is that it seemed to comprise mainly of people straight out of uni that summer.

Politely put, a ready formed OTC clique with a uni mindset.

Sep is always popular with new graduates and school leavers. It's generally 270 cadets at about 75% graduate. The Jan intake is the same and the May one is just two companies, so almost 200.

The proportion of graduates tends to remain the same.

Of course, each Company develops its own culture and nicknames depending on Coy staff and OCdt personalities and perceptions. My son's colleagues were said to be in Hotel Coy and they referred to one of the other Coys as Prison Coy. All people with military experience will understand both the humour and the different styles of approach.
 

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Just for a change - not Sandhurst but officer selection and training for the Kriegsmarine in the pre-WW2 years.

Prospective officers were required to submit 4 references and a CV. Abitur (school completion certificate) from a recognised Gymnasium (Grammar School or better). Then to their version of RCB with all the normal tests with a bias towards performance under stress. In 1931 just 58 out of 2452 were accepted into the officer training programme.

Some highlights.

Entry on 1st April then three months of gruelling infantry training, then mixed training dependent on likely future employment for another three months then, as a "Crew" fourteen months on a training cruiser learning all the seamen trades plus the kind of wider experience one gets by service in foreign waters

Then the midshipman's examination which in combination with reports of their cruise performance assigned each candidate a provisional rating within their "Crew". Then promoted midshipmen.

Three more months of infantry training then a years academic training in practical naval skills. The executive officers examination followed. Six months of specialist training then posted to ships for another year of practical training in roles equivalent to non-commissioned officers which gradually worked their way into junior officer roles.

Then the "face fits test"; a secret ballot of the ships officers whether the candidate midshipman was "worthy and suitable". By this stage few failed but it was not unknown.

So some four and a half years after entering the Navy the were promoted sub-lieutenant. After another two years they would be working as watch or division officers and would be eligible for promotion to Lieutenant dependent on their "Crew" rating.

Quite a rigorous and selective process and , I know, they lost the War. Officer selection and training was a tradition handed down from the old Imperial Navy and showed its worth at Jutland.

After 1933 when the Nazis came to power immediately a process started of inserting a strong NS flavour into the selection and training and later the exigencies of war caused the length of training and standards to slip.
 

Oyibo

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Somewhere on this thread the SNCO Pace Stick Competition was mentioned, looks like it is growing RAF Regt and Chelsea Pensioners now attending. Pakistan Army won again this year. Comment do any go sick with ruptures? No starched Y Fronts should be worn. They also won the best tash contest?


 

Brotherton Lad

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Somewhere on this thread the SNCO Pace Stick Competition was mentioned, looks like it is growing RAF Regt and Chelsea Pensioners now attending. Pakistan Army won again this year. Comment do any go sick with ruptures? No starched Y Fronts should be worn. They also won the best tash contest?



The Chelsea Pensioners were great fun.
 

Brotherton Lad

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This is what it means in Pakistan:

 
Somewhere on this thread the SNCO Pace Stick Competition was mentioned, looks like it is growing RAF Regt and Chelsea Pensioners now attending. Pakistan Army won again this year. Comment do any go sick with ruptures? No starched Y Fronts should be worn. They also won the best tash contest?


The International Competition was cancelled due to CV19 although Pakistan managed to attend.

RAF Regt sent QCS, Chelsea Pensioners come to the RMAS one and the international one - they tend to bring their own booze too! Heroes!

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The International Competition was cancelled due to CV19 although Pakistan managed to attend.

RAF Regt sent QCS, Chelsea Pensioners come to the RMAS one and the international one - they tend to bring their own booze too! Heroes!

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

although Pakistan managed to attend. - Pakistan SF arrived by rubber boat at Dover?? more serious could become interesting if Indian Army send a team?
 
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