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Sandhurst September intake composition

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Caecilius

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I'd submit the PARAs chose people who can run quickly, not those who are performing "best". Running quickly may, or may not, be an indicator of "best", but I suspect that the PARAs wouldn't take someone who aced every single intellectual test, was more than competent in the field, and could shoot the ******** out of a fly at 3000 yds if he/she also couldn't run their PFA in less than 9 mins 45.

That's true, but being fit is a baseline for them as there's a requirement to pass P Coy. You need to be good at the rest of it* as well. They're the only capbadge I can recall for whom a middle 1/3 ranking was genuinely a show-stopper. Pretty much everyone else took from across the spectrum, with the the majority of the top 1/3 heading to combat arms.


*Mostly anyway. I don't remember academic performance making a massive dent in the rankings.
 

Caecilius

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at a guess, probably most, if not all, as long as their face fitted the Regimental family.

Back when the 1/3s still existed, it'd be a seriously uphill struggle to get into a combat arms unit with a performance in the bottom 1/3 unless they either loved you on a visit or they messed up their numbers and found themselves having to fill a place in 'clearing'.
 

Mölders 1

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Back when the 1/3s still existed, it'd be a seriously uphill struggle to get into a combat arms unit with a performance in the bottom 1/3 unless they either loved you on a visit or they messed up their numbers and found themselves having to fill a place in 'clearing'.

Were 1/3s abolished for some reason?
 

WhiskeyTango

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All 3 intakes are majority graduates these days. Usually about 75% on average. About 15% are female, about 15% are from other countries and about 7% are from the ranks. The main ethos of the course is to turn that very varied mob into a cohesive team.

The course is 11 months.

The thing that struck me about the september intake i joined is that it seemed to comprise mainly of people straight out of uni that summer.

Politely put, a ready formed OTC clique with a uni mindset.
 
Were 1/3s abolished for some reason?
I think it was only ever (in recent memory) an informal thing to easily group people.

When they did away with slate-a-mate, now that was a sad blow.
 
The paras are definitely an example of this, but (at least when I was going through) the Int Corps largely seemed to ignore the CC thirds and ranked candidates by different metrics. I remember those going on Int Corps visits having to do a series of tests, such as matching terrain photos to a map and talking for five minutes on an unprepared topic.

Being able to bluff convincingly on a subject about which you know nothing definitely sounds like a qualification for Green Slime :)
 

lert

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Being able to bluff convincingly on a subject about which you know nothing definitely sounds like a qualification for Green Slime :)
Point of order.

At no point was it mentioned that the bluff must be convincing!
 
No idea, about the AAC, I was on Gutersloh at the time, so had to put up with the smurfs laughing.

All my officers said the infantry tried harder, it was possible to be a biff and slide in RLC or the AGC but the infantry didnt want the dross.

Back in the midst of time the RAOC was used - perhaps unofficially- as the clearing house. If you missed your first and second choices you were given the “there’s nothing soft about the Woman’s Auxiliary Balloon Corps” speech about the RAOC. I think if RAOC officers could specialise as ATO they might have had more takers, but as we know, the ATO badge is the ‘hobby’ badge.

We had one OCdt on my course (SMC29, commissioned in August 82) who was rejected by the RAOC. IIRC he was officially commissioned into the ‘General Service Corps’ (which is the capbadge on those snowflakes’ posters) but then taken by the RPC. Apparently the first Sandhurst Officer the chunkies had had in a generation. Last I heard he had done every course under the sun (including an MBA apparently) and was doing ok.
 
I think it was only ever (in recent memory) an informal thing to easily group people.

When they did away with slate-a-mate, now that was a sad blow.
There is still Peer Review including group discussions where they provide "feedback" to their peers on how to improve.

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Back in the midst of time the RAOC was used - perhaps unofficially- as the clearing house. If you missed your first and second choices you were given the “there’s nothing soft about the Woman’s Auxiliary Balloon Corps” speech about the RAOC. I think if RAOC officers could specialise as ATO they might have had more takers, but as we know, the ATO badge is the ‘hobby’ badge.

We had one OCdt on my course (SMC29, commissioned in August 82) who was rejected by the RAOC. IIRC he was officially commissioned into the ‘General Service Corps’ (which is the capbadge on those snowflakes’ posters) but then taken by the RPC. Apparently the first Sandhurst Officer the chunkies had had in a generation. Last I heard he had done every course under the sun (including an MBA apparently) and was doing ok.

That doesn't say much for the collective wisdom of the RSB.
 
Which makes the system even more stupid. If he was useless, he would have been booted out by now.

I think the issue is that ‘face didn’t fit’ didn’t mean ‘useless’.

He met the required standards. Just that, if you had to choose someone to share your mess, he somehow wasn’t it.
 

Oyibo

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Back in the midst of time the RAOC was used - perhaps unofficially- as the clearing house. If you missed your first and second choices you were given the “there’s nothing soft about the Woman’s Auxiliary Balloon Corps” speech about the RAOC. I think if RAOC officers could specialise as ATO they might have had more takers, but as we know, the ATO badge is the ‘hobby’ badge.

We had one OCdt on my course (SMC29, commissioned in August 82) who was rejected by the RAOC. IIRC he was officially commissioned into the ‘General Service Corps’ (which is the capbadge on those snowflakes’ posters) but then taken by the RPC. Apparently the first Sandhurst Officer the chunkies had had in a generation. Last I heard he had done every course under the sun (including an MBA apparently) and was doing ok.

He didn't by any chance have the initials JW? Same era, and the only RMAS chunkie I have ever met
 
I think the issue is that ‘face didn’t fit’ didn’t mean ‘useless’.

He met the required standards. Just that, if you had to choose someone to share your mess, he somehow wasn’t it.

Which is pretty pathetic and something that you wouldn't get away with these days.
 
Which is pretty pathetic and something that you wouldn't get away with these days.
Why not? You'd select people.into your capbadge that you thought would fit.

If they aren't a good fit for your capbadge they may well be a better fit in another capbadge.

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Oyibo

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Too long ago to be 100% sure, to be honest.

Sounds the same type of OCdt - he told me his Pl Comd (PARA not long back from the Falklands) absolutely detested him, and no unit would take him on the Unit Selection Boards
 
Why not? You'd select people.into your capbadge that you thought would fit.

If they aren't a good fit for your capbadge they may well be a better fit in another capbadge.

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Every capbadge has its own culture, but simply that you can't see yourself breaking bread with someone in, for example, the Corsham Travelodge strikes me as both outdated and bizarre.
 
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