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Saluting the colours

#1
This may be a really bone question from a gunner of twelve years standing BUT

What is the actual score with saluting Guns ? I have never served in a Gun Regt so my experience of the big smelly things are polishing them on guard.

Now I know the score (pretty much) with guns on parade, but I am keen to know the every day application. For example if a gun is in the gun park, do you salute it before starting work ? I heard that if guns roll past the main gate, the guy on stag should knock up up, true ?

How about non-gun arty weapon systems ? Do you salute MLRS or HVM rolling past and if the latter is true do you bang one up to smoe scrote wandering past with an LML ? What about guns in non-gun regts ? Say you had an old 25 pdr in the garage of a Rapier Bty, do they still pay respects to the gun or is it not "their colours"

Whats your experience ?
 
#2
Guns, including launchers for RAPIER, were saluted as they left the main gate or drove past on a parade.

I've never seen anyone salute one when they went into the gun shed.

As gate guardians etc rarely are towed/drive out of the main gate, I've never seen one saluted.


edited for spelling like a PARA, despite being happy as a hat
 
#4
BB51 said:
Why the feck would you salute a gun????????????????
Because the Guns are the Colours of the Royal Artillery. If you are an infanteer you would expect your Colours to be saluted by all and sundry. Same goes for the Guns.

Having served with both an AS90 regiment and an AD regiment, I can state that they are only saluted (as stated earlier) when leaving camp, and on a parade (includes going to and coming from the parade). No equipment is saluted in the Gun sheds or hangars!

Gate guards are not saluted, neither is one lad carrying a shoulder launched SAM! As for a troop of LMLs going by on foot, I suspect this will never happen (would (hopefully) be mounted in the back of a stripped down landrover, and would then be saluted). Rapier, MLRS launchers, etc: all get a kipper thrown up.
 
#5
I think you'll find that this is covered in the Drill Manual under the section on paying of compliments (ie saluting).

If I remeber rightly you are supposed to salute a battery of guns, not the individual weapons, but you are let off from this if ypu are riding a bike, so that's all right then.
 
#6
FFS- yeh your right we do salute our Colours but we only have 3 (should narrow my Bn down as we are the only Regiment in the Army who march with 3 Colours).

But saluting every piece of equipment that comes in & out of your camp is crazy.
 
#7
Dread said:
BB51 said:
Why the feck would you salute a gun????????????????
Because the Guns are the Colours of the Royal Artillery. If you are an infanteer you would expect your Colours to be saluted by all and sundry. Same goes for the Guns.

Having served with both an AS90 regiment and an AD regiment, I can state that they are only saluted (as stated earlier) when leaving camp, and on a parade (includes going to and coming from the parade). No equipment is saluted in the Gun sheds or hangars!

Gate guards are not saluted, neither is one lad carrying a shoulder launched SAM! As for a troop of LMLs going by on foot, I suspect this will never happen (would (hopefully) be mounted in the back of a stripped down landrover, and would then be saluted). Rapier, MLRS launchers, etc: all get a kipper thrown up.

What I want to know i why not salute a UAV Launcher ? Or COBRA/MAMBA

I am of course extracting the urine
 
#8
BB51 said:
FFS- yeh your right we do salute our Colours but we only have 3 (should narrow my Bn down as we are the only Regiment in the Army who march with 3 Colours).

But saluting every piece of equipment that comes in & out of your camp is crazy.
And saluting a bit of cloth tied to a stick isn't crazy then ?

Traditions are traditions sir
 
#9
BB51 said:
FFS- yeh your right we do salute our Colours but we only have 3 (should narrow my Bn down as we are the only Regiment in the Army who march with 3 Colours).

But saluting every piece of equipment that comes in & out of your camp is crazy.
If I remember rightly they only saluted when leaving camp for exercise or operations.

16 Ad Regt used to have the guard fell in by the main gate and the Adj would salute the launchers out of camp

Never heard of it happening in 29 though

Oh and by the way BB no disrespect intended but i have no idea what battalion your in 3 sets of colours or not !!
 
#11
meiktilaman said:
BB51 said:
FFS- yeh your right we do salute our Colours but we only have 3 (should narrow my Bn down as we are the only Regiment in the Army who march with 3 Colours).

But saluting every piece of equipment that comes in & out of your camp is crazy.
If I remember rightly they only saluted when leaving camp for exercise or operations.

16 Ad Regt used to have the guard fell in by the main gate and the Adj would salute the launchers out of camp

Never heard of it happening in 29 though

Oh and by the way BB no disrespect intended but i have no idea what battalion your in 3 sets of colours or not !!
When 29 went to the Falklands their TA (289) battery was mobilised, dog tags issued etc until at the eleventh hour some bod from the MOD said (my words) "you lot aren't going - you're just a bunch of civvies.....but we'll take your guns". As you can imagine that went down like a lead balloon and dispelled the myth (at the time) that TA soldiers would fight side-by-side with their regular counterparts which was the recruiting slogan back in the day. They weren't happy bunnies I can tell you.
 

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#13
I dont ever recall saluting anything that couldnt return the compliment!
Every time I sayw the colours I was either ED mess waiting so too busy or stood in one of the colour gds and I certainly didnt salute them then.
 
#14
A British Artillery piece is the colours of the RA as they don't have them on a flag, drum etc. It is to be saluted when there are three or more mobile together, normally only done on exit and entrance to barracks, or on a formal parade.
You are saluting the equipment and not the gun crew, the No1/Crew will not salute back. If there is an Officer on board I would think you would salute him anyway.
 
#15
Why would an Officer be on a gun? :D

I have only saluted the colours whilst they are on a formal parade driving past in formation, never when they leave camp or when entering the gun sheds.
 
#16
meiktilaman said:
BB51 said:
FFS- yeh your right we do salute our Colours but we only have 3 (should narrow my Bn down as we are the only Regiment in the Army who march with 3 Colours).

But saluting every piece of equipment that comes in & out of your camp is crazy.
If I remember rightly they only saluted when leaving camp for exercise or operations.

16 Ad Regt used to have the guard fell in by the main gate and the Adj would salute the launchers out of camp

Never heard of it happening in 29 though

It cetainly did if Alec Punchy Murray was about believe me.

Oh and by the way BB no disrespect intended but i have no idea what battalion your in 3 sets of colours or not !!
 
#17
civvygit said:
A British Artillery piece is the colours of the RA as they don't have them on a flag, drum etc. It is to be saluted when there are three or more mobile together, normally only done on exit and entrance to barracks, or on a formal parade.
You are saluting the equipment and not the gun crew, the No1/Crew will not salute back. If there is an Officer on board I would think you would salute him anyway.
Might be a regimental thing civvy but with 16 the vehicle commander always returned the salute
 
#19
Cranners you dont seem to understand what the guns mean to us.

We never run from the guns we fall in and march away.

On return to camp from exercise, operations etc the first the cleaned are the guns.

We never abandon the guns to the enemy (obviously it has happened and those regts/batteries are still living it down hundreds of years later!)

We put the guns before our men hence in the WW1 when the mud was so bad the bodies of dead gunners were put under the guns to stop them sinking hence the nickname of planks

Why is it so hard for you to understand without the guns we have no purpose, without the guns we will never win a battle, from reading historical accounts one of the biggest things to dishearten the infantry was to see the guns leave the field of battle!

We dont expect you if you not a gunner to understand nor salute the guns but what we do expect is for you to show them the same respect that we show to the colours of your unit!
 
#20
fdj12 said:
meiktilaman said:
BB51 said:
FFS- yeh your right we do salute our Colours but we only have 3 (should narrow my Bn down as we are the only Regiment in the Army who march with 3 Colours).

But saluting every piece of equipment that comes in & out of your camp is crazy.
If I remember rightly they only saluted when leaving camp for exercise or operations.

16 Ad Regt used to have the guard fell in by the main gate and the Adj would salute the launchers out of camp

Never heard of it happening in 29 though

It cetainly did if Alec Punchy Murray was about believe me.

Oh and by the way BB no disrespect intended but i have no idea what battalion your in 3 sets of colours or not !!
Before my time I think Fj
 

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