Sacked vegan claims discrimination in landmark case

#41
"Jordi Casamitjana campaigns to encourage others to become vegans"
he doesn't though does he, he campaigns because he's a self righteous twat..
In my view its once again very similar to religion and this quote gives an idea of how it works for these people, substitute veganism for religion:

When Religion is an Addiction
By Bob Minor


The psychological speaker and writer John Bradshaw said that the “high” one gets from being righteous was similar to the high of cocaine. As both a former monk and addict, he knew the feelings personally.
Like alcoholism and drug addiction, the fix numbs the religious addict against any feelings about how their addiction affects others.
It’s what addiction specialists call a process addiction, like sex or romance addiction, or workaholism. In an addictive society, such addictions are encouraged.
Like substance addictions, it takes over, dominates life, pushes other issues to the background, tells them how and what to feel to prevent them from facing their real feelings about themselves and life, creates a mythology about the world, protects its “stash,” and supports their denial that they have a problem.
If you’re outside the addiction, you’ve probably wondered about what’s going on, what’s the dynamic that’s driving the religious belief. Why is it so hard to crack? Why won’t evidence or logic work?
If you’re an enabler or the addict yourself, the above must sound over the top. You’d prefer to deny or soften the reality of the addiction.
So, what can we do to protect ourselves, maintain our sanity, promote a healthy alternative, and confront religious addiction? We need to realise that we’re dealing with an addict. Addicts reinforce each other. Religious organisations and media are their supportive co-users. You can’t argue with an addict. Arguing religion to one so addicted plays into the addictive game. Arguing about the Bible or tradition is like arguing with the alcoholic about whether whiskey or tequila is better for them. It’s useless and affirms the addiction.
You can’t buy into the addict’s view of reality. Addicts cover their addiction with a mythology about the world and with language that mystifies. Don’t let the addict get you off topic. Addicts love to confuse the issues, get you talking about things that don’t challenge their problem. When you do, you further the addiction.
 
#42
Always find it ironic that I haven’t met a vegan who is against anything to do with animals who will not refuse medicine. It’s all been tested on animals, it has to by law.

To be fair this maybe due to the ones who refuse medication being dead now.
Here is the correct definition of veganism from the guy who invented the term vegan and split from the British Vegetarian Society. As they need medicine and can't get stuff which is not animal tested it's neither ironic, not hypocritical. That's the point of the as far as possible bit.

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#44
I'm going to assume not.

as an aside she once spent a week at my mothers house wearing her 'meat is murder' t shirt as we dared to eat actual dead animals.

I was trying to get a heat reatactive t shirt made that would look the same but have the following message displayed on the back at body temperature

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#48
Also in the days of film in cameras, gelatin was used in the production of filmstock. Perhaps some one should break into the PETA archives and set all their photographs free?
I remember an interview in which the rampant vegitableist Linda McCartney, professed lifelong ignorance of that rather inconvenient truth- it would have been problematic for her ambitions as a photographer. Apparently she only found out after swapping to digital.

I remember being quite surprised that nobody had pointed it out to her- especially as the irony was compounded by her maiden name being Eastman (although she wasn’t related to the founder of the world’s biggest and best-known film company- Eastman Kodak).
 
#50
Meat is Murder.............


..Crispy, juicy, delicious, tasty, finger licken', murder.
 
#51
Mr Casamitjana says he has been discriminated against many times because of his vegan beliefs.
He said: "It is important for all the vegans to know that if they want to talk about veganism, they are protected and no-one will say 'Shut up'.
"It is important that the law protects vegans."

I’m fairly sure that the protections being demanded do not include protection from being told to “Shut up”.

Or more likely “FFS!! WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! You talk about nothing else! You boring sanctimonious tosser!!!”
I'll have you know, that I am four percent vegan.

CFB
take an orange from the box.
 
#52
Always find it ironic that I haven’t met a vegan who is against anything to do with animals who will not refuse medicine. It’s all been tested on animals, it has to by law.

To be fair this maybe due to the ones who refuse medication being dead now.
That’s not actually correct.

Phase I trials can go from the chemical/analytical/modelling stage to the “first in human” stage without the “first in animal” stage.

Animal testing is discouraged by the EMA and other regulatory bodies.

In accordance with the 3Rs principles on animal use (Directive 2010/63/EU), a scientifically satisfactory method or testing strategy, not entailing the use of live animals, should be used wherever possible. The use of in vitro studies, including studies using human-derived materials, is encouraged whenever scientifically relevant and sufficiently validated. The relevance and limitations of these in vitro models should be discussed in the supporting documents.​
https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents...-early-clinical-trials-investigational_en.pdf
 
#53
That’s not actually correct.

Phase I trials can go from the chemical/analytical/modelling stage to the “first in human” stage without the “first in animal” stage.

Animal testing is discouraged by the EMA and other regulatory bodies.

In accordance with the 3Rs principles on animal use (Directive 2010/63/EU), a scientifically satisfactory method or testing strategy, not entailing the use of live animals, should be used wherever possible. The use of in vitro studies, including studies using human-derived materials, is encouraged whenever scientifically relevant and sufficiently validated. The relevance and limitations of these in vitro models should be discussed in the supporting documents.​
https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents...-early-clinical-trials-investigational_en.pdf
And now me actually studying drug design and pharmacology comes in.

In some situations you can get away without animal testing but for the VAST majority of cases you cannot. Chemical and analytical can elimate designs up for testing and modelling can certain help but Chem and analytics can only get you so far and modelling takes forever to do it to an acceptable standard. For example for me to get one drug into one active site and test it on a standard PC with an i7 and quadro takes 1-2 days from scratch on the least detailed settings. AB initio can take days to weeks on a standard PC. The lecturer had a beast of a PC and had one running for weeks. You’d need access to a super computer to get it done in a timely fashion and you can’t test everything.

It is a nightmare to try and get things like LD50 done as, quite rightly, there is a lot of red tape. But until LoC gets significantly better you won’t be able to get away from testing in the majority of cases.
 

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