SAA Intructors

Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by Sack_them_all, Nov 4, 2003.

Welcome to the Army Rumour Service, ARRSE

The UK's largest and busiest UNofficial military website.

The heart of the site is the forum area, including:

  1. TA SAA Intructors, particularly in the infantry are a rare commodity. Should there be a weekend course avaiable to allow Senior NCO's to be SAA qualified?

    Reason - to be promoted you need to do a qualifying course - SCBC the course of choice. Unlike our regular friends this does not also consist of the SAA training so, people tend to do the tactics option not the SAA. They get promoted as they are qualified and then discover too late that they cannot take WHT's etc as they are not qualified. Alternative is to add 1 week SAA to SCBC and/or provide a catch up for those who have years of experience but just need to be tested to ensure they are at the right standard without having to spend 2 weeks on the death by pamphlet course run by the thalidomeid corps!
     
  2. Do you need SAA qual to take WHTs?

    What about RMQ? Also, I remember the phrase "qualified or authorised" - ie some tests can be taken by NCOs deemed by their CO to be capable even though they are not actually qualified - or am I talking poop?

    This would be a real spanner in the works for recruit training of TA soldiers by the way
     
  3. You do not need to be qualified to teach SAA or even to test; there is nothing in any Pam to say you do. I think though that if there were to be a ND resulting in death or an injury the first question would be “were you qualified?”

    Any TA unit needing instructors can use the local div specialist training team. Shouldn’t your PSI be qualified?
     
  4. If you pass the Combat Marksmanship Coaching Qualification (CMCQ), you are also qualified to conduct WHTs.

    This is only two weekends and is now a prerequisite for progressing on to the RMQ.
     
  5. If you pass the Combat Marksmanship Coaching Qualification (CMCQ), you are also qualified to conduct WHTs.

    This is only two weekends and is now a prerequisite for progressing on to the RMQ.
     
  6. The issue is not the CMCQ course or RMQ for WHT's for trained soldiers. The new (?) policy from UK Land on Infantry recruit training is such that if you are training recruits as part of the Phase 1 package, you may only do so if you hold the relevant course qualification and therefore have to be a SAA instructor SCBC etc. If you do not, UK Land will take away the authority to train recruits and force them to go to an ATR for 2 weeks for Phase 1 as well as Phase 2.

    We have planty of CMCQ and RMQ but not SAA for the reasons outlined at the start. I believe PSI's are again only a stop gap as we should not be using them as trainers for lowly tasks when their experience is better used at the higher level training elements such as Peace Support etc.
     
  7. We are not allowing any phase one soldier to come into contact with a rifle until they've been taught on phase two at an ATR, by their skillies. This appears to be what Land want so that all recruits are taught to sing from the same song sheet. I don't agree with this and we may be interpreting the rules too rigidly. As for trained soldiers we still only let qualified skillies run WHT's.
     
  8. Ventress

    Ventress LE Moderator

    The first thing a LAIT enquiry will do is put together all those involved's qualifications. Its true a CO can certify no-qualified individuals to even run Ranges- but when an accident occurs- watch your pension.