sa80a2k

#1
anyone know if the cutdown sa80 carbine is actually going to be issued?
somebody is saying on another forum that the RAC are going to get over
1000 of them anybody know if its true?
 
#2
and the ams is taking an interest.
when it was origially planed it wasn't adopted for technical reasons considering the techincal problems with Sa80a1 thats saying something.

why not just issue a proper smg Like the MP5?
 

Unknown_Quantity

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#3
'Tis true, see this months Soldier mag.

At a guess, one of the main reasons for having a SA80 variant rather than another SMG would be interchangable parts / common training.

Have hope, up to the trigger its the same as the A2 - which has not received any of the grim feedback reserved for the A1!
 
#4
they also have to do somwthing with all the surplus SA80's they have and can't give away.
 
#5
Surely all surplus A1's will be donated to UOTCs and Cadet units?
 
#6
Here's a pic...




Looks even worse than the normal SA80.
 
#7
Aye, it looks well ugly.

However it looks like U_Q's point about interchangable parts is only going to apply to the working parts.

MP5 would make a much better replacement.

D
 
#9
What an ugly looking rifle.

Would be intrigued to see the gas parts.

I bet it will smart like hell if you haven't got hold of that foregrip properly, little to close to the business end for my liking.

Still got a decent barrle length mind, has anybody had a play yet?
 
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Tango34

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#11
Once all the A2's have been rolled out, the A1's will get the change lever cut off and then moved to cadet units.....

This is good news, because then Cadet units will have a weapon that will fit a BFA thus allowing us as Cadets Instructors to teach section battle drills that include the attack rether then the "stop 100m before the enemy position and UNLOAD"!!!!!! - and thius can only help the Cadets if they then go on to join the real army.....?????

Regards

Tango34

But then again, Labour might decide at the last moment to stop all the above, and re-intreduce the A1's as A3's in around 2010 as the NEW INFANTRY WEAPON - They would hope by then that everone that remembers the A1 from first time around will have left :)
 
#12
Tango34 said:
This is good news, because then Cadet units will have a weapon that will fit a BFA thus allowing us as Cadets Instructors to teach section battle drills that include the attack rether then the "stop 100m before the enemy position and UNLOAD"!!!!!!
I thought the cadet GP was the same as A1 minus gasparts? Can it really not fit the BFA?

D
 
#14
interesting i was told the ACF wern't allowed automatic weapons. except for the LSW in my day the Bren and you wern't allowed live or blank for the bren till you were at least a 3 star.
 

Unknown_Quantity

War Hero
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#15
Soldier mag say that soldiers using it will be issued 2 20 round and 2 30 round magazines. Is there really a requirement for a 20 round magazine? Is it that much of an embuggerance in a vehicle?

ORG, did you earn all those medals? :roll:
 
#16
ORG didn't earn his real medals, never mind his make believe ones :D
 
#17
Apart from the obvious issue of ammunition compatability, is there a valid reason why RAC crews can't use H&K MP5s, or similar SMGs?

H&K, which I believe is linked to Royal Ordnance, also churn out the PDW variant of the MP5. FN also produce a specific vehicle crew weapon, the P-90 (admittedly in the rare-as-rocking-horse-poo 5.7mm round).

The MP5, firing with a closed bolt mechanism, is superbly accurate, and also uses a NATO standard calibre. It's not even like the ATDU have smoothed off all the edges on the Mini SA80 for use in confined spaces....
 

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