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But the biggest problem is that the G3 chain doesn't give a flying fvck.That really is shocking. Part of that is the Q system does not like demanding, holding, issueing or returning Ammo.
At any level.
But the biggest problem is that the G3 chain doesn't give a flying fvck.That really is shocking. Part of that is the Q system does not like demanding, holding, issueing or returning Ammo.
Shame is that - bizarrely - professional infantry are denied the same opportunity.
Operational. Ad Homs in the serious part of the site is a no go.Evening SPOTY , are you sober ? I`ve never claimed to have any SA80 experience and only judge it from what those who have say , I do have experience with numerous other rifles however.
My point is it is your opinion based on other people’s experience.On the SA80? None. But neither am I criticising it, like some.
I've made the point that later versions work well, earlier version didn't work as well, related the experience of several Paras I met who used the first ones, and related some of the development issues such as value-engineering. I've added some comments on manufacturing capabilities and others on the application of marksmanship principles which are based on documented studies and some personal experience.
What's your point?
If you were CGS I would find your belated recognition of this phenomenon encouraging.It’s always struck as somewhat strange, that hobby shooters get to put more rounds downrange in a month, than most professionals, for which a rifle is the primary tool of their trade, will do in a career.
in shooting, practice does indeed make perfect, and HM armed forces simply don’t practice anything like enough.
Hobby shooters buy their rounds.It’s always struck as somewhat strange, that hobby shooters get to put more rounds downrange in a month, than most professionals, for which a rifle is the primary tool of their trade, will do in a career.
in shooting, practice does indeed make perfect, and HM armed forces simply don’t practice anything like enough.
What? Do actual training instead of a room inspection? Are you mad?It only needs a change in attitude. The cost of the ammunition is irrelevant. The Army probably bins more 5.56mm & 7.62mm than it fires currently. All perfectly serviceable, but once it has lost it’s identity it has to be binned.
Commanders have to have the attitude of making shooting a priority and cut away much of the other crap that prevents range time.
That sounds as if the blokes with the C8s had done more live-fire jungle ranges than the blokes with the L85s, and were more sure of themselves and their weapon handling.There was a vid doing the rounds on Facebook which illustrated this point exactly. IIRC it was 1 Scots doing jungle training, live fire contact drills on jungle lanes. Some of the guys had L85's and some had C8's. They were demonstrating a "contact front", where they'd engage targets, apply safety, peg it back and the next 2 would take over. Rinse and repeat.
There was a noticable difference in the speed between the guys doing it with the 2 different rifles
My great-grandad was of the generation that literally shot for their pay.This would have the benefit of ensuring they try a bit harder on the range. No lillygagging when the the cost of the brass has come out of your own pocket.
Which is what I've said throughout.My point is it is your opinion based on other people’s experience.
Like most who have carried and used the weapon over the last 20 years it has been effective.
There can be only one.You are clearly The One.
As in "There's always one"
That really is shocking. Part of that is the Q system does not like demanding, holding, issueing or returning Ammo.
Wrong. Not many, but not zero. And while it's fun to poke the Fun Police, they do have some quite capable coaches in there*Same here.
There are no small arms experts in the mainstream army, least of all in the SASC.
That was pretty much what I was asking.Why do you need another 5.56mm rifle? What is significantly better that it is worth the buy?
There can be only one.
I have read this thread with interest. Never served civilians getting a massive c***stand about a military rifle that they have little, if any, experience of.And the comments about weapon handling. As a Skill At Arms instructor, I have seen some truly appaling weapon handling. I had to step in to prevent an RAF corporal having an ND at a loading bay in Iraq on one occasion. I have also watched civvies on the range and again, some of the weapon handling was absolutely abysmal. Weapons pointing in all directions, fingers on triggers and how the frack do you clear a weapon with the magazine still fitted? And stand by for the award for stating the bleeding obvious, but there is a mahoosive world of difference between shooting for a hobby, and doing it for a living. Just my opinion, FWIW.
Anyway, a replacement for SA80? After all the cash that has been thrown at it, I can't see it happening for at least ten years.
If they have capable coaches,who benefits from their skills?Wrong. Not many, but not zero. And while it's fun to poke the Fun Police, they do have some quite capable coaches in there*
Small arm in RAF hands = mahoosive Combat Indicator for imminent ND?!As a matter of interest what weapon was the RAF bloke about to discharge accidentally and how did you know it was about to happen?
As a UAS I have no problem with people bringing back ammo from ranges, as long as it's packed back into the cartoons correctly and you've managed to make sure each cartoon is full or correctly marked
The problem is those twats who come round and inspect Ammo Bunkers and kick off because I have 2 or 3 open H83 boxes with some random number marked on the lid with the word FRAC written on it as per the book.
Those twats are the problem as they write petty little whinny bitch reports about how I'm not storing ammo correctly the little shits.
Never seen Highlander?A bit rude at the top there - but ho hum.
As a matter of interest what weapon was the RAF bloke about to discharge accidentally and how did you know it was about to happen?
There was me thinking any decent officer would want his section to be the best at soldiering they could and would go out of their way to ensure so, sad state of affairs.
This is the British army we are talking about, where would that come on Caecilius's OJAR? Otherwise he doesn't give a toss.