SA80 Replacement on the distant horizon ?

I wonder if the U.S. are planning to develop new Miniguns, Co-axial Machine Guns etc that will be chambered for the 6.8 Round?
Depends which one is selected. The true velocity round has already been trialed in miniguns and M240s - it’s just a barrel swap. The SIG round is at least a conventional type but would probably need new guns as it’s pretty hot. The CT round would need wholly new guns.
 

Piekey

Clanker
Im always amazed at the number of Civilian weapons Norinco makes. As far as im aware there is zero domestic chinese shooting market. I understand civvilian versions of the actual service rifles such as the Type 56 and qbz97 but setting up all these clones of US rifles?

The Chinese have made numerous clones of famous weapons and the seem to store them away for years for no obvious reason.

M1 Carbine
Uzi
AR15
M-14
SKS
Sig p226
Colt 1911
MP5

I have owned/handled or fired all of the above weapons made by china. In some cases the finnish was lacking or very agricultural but the function and accuracy was acceptable.

The standout performers were the M-14,1911 and Ar15.I had a Hbar AR15 which was an excellent shooter and quite reliable, the M14 accompanied me on several hunts too.
 

dragon825

War Hero
The article defo said planned to replace both - perhaps the 338 gpmg reflects a future ideal of

6.8mm IW / section LMG - sharpshooter / HQ platoon LMG

Company level MG / vehicle mounted MG / possibly HQ Platoon MG and specialist rifles in 338

50 cal ,for when you absolutely positively must kill every moth f**ker in the room the one behind it and the one behind that
and for the motherfu**er out the back having a crafty fag......
 
The .303 Bren Gun and the 7.62 NATO version both used bottom case ejection, the troops loved them, and they were probably the best L.M.Gs ever built. The FN P90 also uses bottom case ejection, also has been seen in military use, and is probably the best P.D.W ever made.

Also the Owen SMG. The Gun Jesus even commented on it, pointing out the downward ejection helped keep the cr@p out.
 
Massive hole on the bottom (downward ejecting) for mud to get into.

Cool civi rifle but no military use.
Eh? That's about the least likely way for kak to get in there!

There's plenty to criticise the RDB for (it's definitely not militarily rugged and is held together by hex head bolts, as much of Keltec's offerings are, but bottom ejection isn't one of them.
 
All we need is for the US to adopt a bullpup and a heavy barreled version as a light support weapon...
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
All we need is for the US to adopt a bullpup and a heavy barreled version as a light support weapon...

At which point bullpups will have always been the Best Possible Weapon and they'll blame dastardly foreigners for stopping them from using them sooner...
 

TamH70

MIA

It's worse than that, Jim - if l recall correctly, the first bullpup rifle was made by Les Grenouilles, but l can't remember if it was pre- or post- the introduction of the metallic cartridge mit primer.
 
At which point bullpups will have always been the Best Possible Weapon and they'll blame dastardly foreigners for stopping them from using them sooner...

Imagine adopting them to benefit from economies of scale if the US buys them.
I'd barely be able to suppress my giggles.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
It's worse than that, Jim - if l recall correctly, the first bullpup rifle was made by Les Grenouilles, but l can't remember if it was pre- or post- the introduction of the metallic cartridge mit primer.
I was stuck in the US after 9/11 - an overnight trip turned into nine days until Logan Airport re-opened.

I spent a lot of time channel-surfing in my hotel, including National Geographic. That purports to talk about history but it doesn't. You'd think, for instance, that the Jeep is the only 4x4 in the world ever. Anything from outside the US doesn't exist.

See also Yanks being convinced that the Harrier was a US invention.

Trust me, at the point that the Yanks adopt a bullpup, it'll be the first one in the world.
 

Mölders 1

War Hero
I was stuck in the US after 9/11 - an overnight trip turned into nine days until Logan Airport re-opened.

I spent a lot of time channel-surfing in my hotel, including National Geographic. That purports to talk about history but it doesn't. You'd think, for instance, that the Jeep is the only 4x4 in the world ever. Anything from outside the US doesn't exist.

See also Yanks being convinced that the Harrier was a US invention.

Trust me, at the point that the Yanks adopt a bullpup, it'll be the first one in the world.

I Like It! ;)
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
I've never seen, or even heard of that mount. We went to Jamaica in 92, the JDF lads all had God's Own Rifle.
In late 92 / early 93, the JDF came to Tern Hill to be trained in the dark art of the SA80 by 1RRW. Come the Friday knock off, I'd not seen so many knackered Ford Cortinas and Granadas (driven by the Jamaican's Brum-based extended families) since the late 70s. The air was lead lined all the way back to the M54...
 
In late 92 / early 93, the JDF came to Tern Hill to be trained in the dark art of the SA80 by 1RRW. Come the Friday knock off, I'd not seen so many knackered Ford Cortinas and Granadas (driven by the Jamaican's Brum-based extended families) since the late 70s. The air was lead lined all the way back to the M54...
We went early 92 ( march-april?), the lads who came over here had the delights of Tidworth. When we got back we heard that one of the JDF lads had got himself nicked after doing some 'private' work with his cousins in London.
 

gafkiwi

War Hero
I wonder if the U.S. are planning to develop new Miniguns, Co-axial Machine Guns etc that will be chambered for the 6.8 Round?
Not really required since the True Velocity (Ammo provider for GD weapon) offering at least can be fired from existing 7.62mm platforms with just a barrel change and I'm guessing the SIG offering is the same. TV has already demonstrated it being fired from miniguns, LMG's and rifles that are 7.62 based designs but they have also marketed their polymer cartridges in 5.56 and 7.62 so their eggs aren't all in one basket. The 6.8mm was to sort issues with 5.56 and provide a degree of overmatch at squad level. I can see once the US decides which direction it wants to go in the medium calibre area be it .300 or .338NM they are already using, it will impose its will and drag the rest of us eventually as the 'new' medium calibre to overlap the 6.8mm.
 

Mölders 1

War Hero
Not really required since the True Velocity (Ammo provider for GD weapon) offering at least can be fired from existing 7.62mm platforms with just a barrel change and I'm guessing the SIG offering is the same. TV has already demonstrated it being fired from miniguns, LMG's and rifles that are 7.62 based designs but they have also marketed their polymer cartridges in 5.56 and 7.62 so their eggs aren't all in one basket. The 6.8mm was to sort issues with 5.56 and provide a degree of overmatch at squad level. I can see once the US decides which direction it wants to go in the medium calibre area be it .300 or .338NM they are already using, it will impose its will and drag the rest of us eventually as the 'new' medium calibre to overlap the 6.8mm.

Thank you for this albeit @QRK2 silenced my out loud thinking up thread......
 

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