SA80 Replacement on the distant horizon ?

TamH70

MIA
It doesn't cover the foreground where closer, and therefore more dangerous, tgts may lurk.

That's probably why the most used Russian assault-rifle optical scope, the 1P29 "Tulip", uses the same reticle design. I know this because I play the STALKER games on PC and the modding community for those games is extremely **** and gets details like that spot-on.

Here's a page from a Yank who bought one for his AK, as you do:

 
Some of the unit power optics fitted to EM2s had a pointer from the top, If I remember rightly.
In terms of reticle, I rather liked the chevron arrangement on ACOGs and Specters
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Has anyone fired the Keltec RDB?

Yes that is an airsoft gun, yes it is mine, let the piss taking begin. :)

I originally wanted an SA80 A3 but tried this and it had a more natural fit into the shoulder and is better balanced.

Any opinions on the real rifle?

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Yes. I was unimpressed. The recoil impulse due to the really long bolt travel is pretty odd (there's a LOT of movement for a .223), and it really doesn't like being monopodded on the mag, that really opens the groups up.
 
Not that is matters but l seriously doubt that the 6.8mm Round will ever become standard in the U.S. or the U.K.

The U.S. Military' Logistical Chain as regards their M4/M-16 Rifles etc is far far greater than that of the U.K. and it's SA-80s. We are talking billions and billions of Dollars, years to re-equip, retrain and then millions of 5.56mm Rounds to dispose of.

Unless the U.S. Military is hell bent on adopting the 6.8mm Rifle/Round l believe this Is all a case of "What If ........"
According to something I read the other day - theyve picked an ammunition supplier and 6.8 will replace 556 and 762.

Im sure it was stated that 6.8 (and 6.5) have much the same charecteristics as 762 in terms of range etc as 762 was based on the obsolete 0.30 round and as such was somewhat suboptimal .
Possibly why no one wanted it except the US because it fed into their existing logs chain and so imposed it upon NATO before swiftly sacking it off for 556
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
According to something I read the other day - theyve picked an ammunition supplier and 6.8 will replace 556 and 762.

Im sure it was stated that 6.8 (and 6.5) have much the same charecteristics as 762 in terms of range etc as 762 was based on the obsolete 0.30 round and as such was somewhat suboptimal .
Possibly why no one wanted it except the US because it fed into their existing logs chain and so imposed it upon NATO before swiftly sacking it off for 556
7.62 was always regarded as a bit of a lash-up by the knowledgeable.

@ugly?
 

Cutaway

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Kit Reviewer
That's probably why the most used Russian assault-rifle optical scope, the 1P29 "Tulip", uses the same reticle design. I know this because I play the STALKER games on PC and the modding community for those games is extremely **** and gets details like that spot-on.

Here's a page from a Yank who bought one for his AK, as you do:

That's a SUIT in all but name.

Or it would be if the Sovs copied kit, but it must have been the Imperialist devils and their capitalist running dogs who copied the cutting edge socialist engineering.
 

gafkiwi

War Hero
According to something I read the other day - theyve picked an ammunition supplier and 6.8 will replace 556 and 762.

Im sure it was stated that 6.8 (and 6.5) have much the same charecteristics as 762 in terms of range etc as 762 was based on the obsolete 0.30 round and as such was somewhat suboptimal .
Possibly why no one wanted it except the US because it fed into their existing logs chain and so imposed it upon NATO before swiftly sacking it off for 556
I think the 6.8 project is only looking at replacing the M4/M16 and the M249 or 5.56mm weapons. The various services and elements have separate projects looking at medium-range weapons and calibres. A lot of the main players in the US are beginning to offer new or updated GPMG and DMR systems in calibres like 6.5 CM and .338 NM on the market to target this. The SIG MG 338 is an upscaled .338NM version of the LMG they have offered for the NGSW AR but can also be adjusted to fire 7.62 NATO.
 
I think the 6.8 project is only looking at replacing the M4/M16 and the M249 or 5.56mm weapons. The various services and elements have separate projects looking at medium-range weapons and calibres. A lot of the main players in the US are beginning to offer new or updated GPMG and DMR systems in calibres like 6.5 CM and .338 NM on the market to target this. The SIG MG 338 is an upscaled .338NM version of the LMG they have offered for the NGSW AR but can also be adjusted to fire 7.62 NATO.
The article defo said planned to replace both - perhaps the 338 gpmg reflects a future ideal of

6.8mm IW / section LMG - sharpshooter / HQ platoon LMG

Company level MG / vehicle mounted MG / possibly HQ Platoon MG and specialist rifles in 338

50 cal ,for when you absolutely positively must kill every moth f**ker in the room the one behind it and the one behind that
 

Cutaway

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Kit Reviewer
Recoil lifts the pointer up off the target so that you can see the shot effect and take appropriate action. A (thick) pointer on the bottom would lift and cover the target upon recoil.

Thats the theory. Its exactly what happens if you fire an old sniper rifle with a very thick German post reticle - it often covers your view of the bullet splash.
True story, and a damn good idea.
I guess they binned the idea because it was so counter intuitive and didn't match all the other types of military optics a soldier might have to use.
As an iron front sight, (mainly due to tradition,) rises from the bottom of one's sight picture, I think someone concluded that the brutal and insolent soldiery would be unable to tell the difference between the sight types resulting in their world-leading accuracy turning to kak.
 

gafkiwi

War Hero
The article defo said planned to replace both - perhaps the 338 gpmg reflects a future ideal of

6.8mm IW / section LMG - sharpshooter / HQ platoon LMG

Company level MG / vehicle mounted MG / possibly HQ Platoon MG and specialist rifles in 338

50 cal ,for when you absolutely positively must kill every moth f**ker in the room the one behind it and the one behind that
The round can apparently outperform 5.56 and 7.62 generally but the NGSW-R/NGSW-AR project is only to replace the M4/M16 and M249.

it is interesting to note that SIG have already released their NGSW rifle onto the commercial market in the US.
 

Mölders 1

War Hero
According to something I read the other day - theyve picked an ammunition supplier and 6.8 will replace 556 and 762.

Im sure it was stated that 6.8 (and 6.5) have much the same charecteristics as 762 in terms of range etc as 762 was based on the obsolete 0.30 round and as such was somewhat suboptimal .
Possibly why no one wanted it except the US because it fed into their existing logs chain and so imposed it upon NATO before swiftly sacking it off for 556
The 7.62 Round was/is still widely used by the U.S. Armed Forces even though they rapidly converted from the M-14 to the M-16.

The 5.56 Round was only supposed to be used on an interim basis until the super-duper Flachette Round could be perfected and mass produced......which never happened.

I wonder if the U.S. are planning to develop new Miniguns, Co-axial Machine Guns etc that will be chambered for the 6.8 Round?
 

TamH70

MIA
That's a SUIT in all but name.

Or it would be if the Sovs copied kit, but it must have been the Imperialist devils and their capitalist running dogs who copied the cutting edge socialist engineering.

The Russians are pretty open about the fact that they copied the SUIT to design the Tulip. That's what the G.R.U was set up to do, after all - nick all of our bright ideas, both civil and military, that they could incorporate into their military infrastructure.
 

Cutaway

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Kit Reviewer
The Russians are pretty open about the fact that they copied the SUIT to design the Tulip. That's what the G.R.U was set up to do, after all - nick all of our bright ideas, both civil and military, that they could incorporate into their military infrastructure.
At least they paid licence fees to RARDE.
 

TamH70

MIA
Massive hole on the bottom (downward ejecting) for mud to get into.

Cool civi rifle but no military use.
The .303 Bren Gun and the 7.62 NATO version both used bottom case ejection, the troops loved them, and they were probably the best L.M.Gs ever built. The FN P90 also uses bottom case ejection, also has been seen in military use, and is probably the best P.D.W ever made.
 

QRK2

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The 7.62 Round was/is still widely used by the U.S. Armed Forces even though they rapidly converted from the M-14 to the M-16.

The 5.56 Round was only supposed to be used on an interim basis until the super-duper Flachette Round could be perfected and mass produced......which never happened.

I wonder if the U.S. are planning to develop new Miniguns, Co-axial Machine Guns etc that will be chambered for the 6.8 Round?

 
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