http://www.mod.uk/dpa/news/preview_jul04.htm OK, so the unit cost of a converted L85A2 is around 1000 pounds (total cost - original rifle + mod [if anyone's got a more accurate figure, please post it or PM me]). This mod costs 715 pounds per rifle. Therefore total unit cost of an L85A2 carbine is around 1715 pounds. WTF??? There are all sorts of off-the-shelf carbines that cost less than this - hell, they could have had SIG 551/552s at Dutch commercial civvy prices (i.e. heavily inflated - govt sales from the manufacturer are far cheaper) for 1540 pounds per unit, or M4 type carbines for around 550! In addition - if the barrel is shortened by around a foot to about 1/2 its original length, it'll be about 10 inches long. This must balance abysmally (hell, the full length one is bad), and I would not like to fire it with, let alone without hearing protection (I've fired a SIG 552 which has about the same length of barrel in a conventional layout & it was very noisy, with a terriffic muzzle blast. It was also so short that I was cramped when firing it - a bullpup with a barrel this short will be almost unuseable, and the muzzle climb will be disasterous!) And a "new 20rd magazine has been developped" - what about the Colt/Armalite 20 rounders? They work great, and cost 4/5 of sod all. Any tankies who've tested it care to comment???