S of S statement on Iranian incident

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  1. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    here y'go:

    MoD Ministerial statement, released 30 June 04


    The Secretary of State for Defence Statement on the Shatt Al Arab Incident

    On 21 June a Royal Navy training team consisting of eight personnel and three small boats was detained by the Iranian authorities on the Shatt al Arab waterway near the southern extremity of the Al Faw Peninsula. The team was conducting a routine boat movement from Umm Qasr to Basra. The initial assessment, reflected in statements by a British Army spokesman in Basra and the British Ambassador in Tehran, was that these service personnel could have strayed into Iranian waters by mistake.

    Our first priority was for the safe return of the personnel. Discussions with the Iranian authorities secured the release of the eight on 25 June. They were immediately returned to the multinational division south east where they underwent a medical assessment and debriefing to establish their perspective of the incident. Since then, two of the team have returned home because their tour of duty has come to an end; another returned home today for medical reasons associated with the incident. The remainder of the team continues to work in Iraq.

    We are continuing with negotiations for the return of the boats and equipment. The deadline set for their return passed yesterday. The equipment consists of personal weapons, ammunition, radios and navigation equipment including echo sounders (to measure the depth of the water), global positioning systems (to identify exact position) and up-to-date maritime charts.

    I would like to reassure the House that British personnel are trained to observe the normal rules of maritime navigation and are issued with modern charts and equipment. This should be sufficient to prevent inadvertent digressions across the border and we are not aware of any previous allegations that the border has been violated.

    In recent more detailed debriefing, the crews have said that they were operating inside the Iraqi border and were forcibly escorted into Iranian territorial waters. Our assessment continues, and will be greatly assisted by the retrieval of navigational information in the global positioning system equipment carried by the crews. We are very concerned about the blindfolding of the men and have made representations about this to the government of Iran. We have also made it clear that we do not expect a recurrence of this type of incident.



    Le Chevre
  2. blind foldings not so bad, at least they werent sexually abused, terrorised by dogs, 'pretend' electrocuted, photographed naked lying on top of each other etc......
    AND they got to watch the football.
  3. BuffHoon is making smoke and jinking like hell

    This is why


    Saw Robert Fox this morning, describe the whole mess as

    "If this was a company, the liquidators would be in, the whole enterprise is bankrupt"

    In fact Rob went a bit ranty there , poor old girl on the sofa was "Errrr Ummmm" lol

    But it had to be said.

    He said the plan was always to cut, and the cuts are going to be savage, and Hoon and Brown knew that last year.

    I will say this simply.

    NO British Forces Serviceman,in my opinion can in all good conscience , vote for Labour in the next General Election.

    However, before you cast your vote, make sure you know what that parties manifesto on Defence is first.
  5. The only thing that casts shade is why were they carrying those weapons and not the A2?

    Is it a standard navy thing on boats? :?:
  6. Cutaway

    Cutaway LE Reviewer

    Maybe that was the torture.
  7. fair one
  8. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    I haven't seen anything which details the weapons involved but from your post, I assume it was M-16s rather than L85 ?

    In which case, no , not standard issue for boat crew.
    RN QMs/boarding party/shore parties normally armed with L85A1 with iron sights in my experience.

    I believe the RM standard issue for protection parties is L85A2, Susat fitted - any booties about ?

    Le Chevre
  9. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    how it looks from another point of view!
    courtesy of BBC monitoring:

    Hasan Rowhani, secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, has rejected the suggestion that Tehran fell into a "US trap"on the nuclear issue. Speaking in an Arabic-language TV interview, Rowhani said that Iran was within its rights in resuming the production of centrifuge parts. He added that this did not represent a defiance of IAEA or UN resolutions. Rowhani also answered questions about Iran-US relations, relations with Iraq and the recent detention of eight British servicemen in Iran. The following is the text of the recorded interview by Muhammad Nun in Tehran - date not given - broadcast by Dubai-based news channel Al-Arabiya TV on 2 July; subheadings inserted editorially:
    British servicemen

    [Nun] But, Dr Rowhani, your security policy on the nature of cooperation with the occupation forces in Iraq has changed. You have recently arrested eight British sailors and then released them. Is there a new Iranian security policy, which will reflect on the border with Iraq?
    [Rowhani] I do not think the Islamic Republic of Iran has adopted a new policy. Since the start of clashes between the coalition forces and the Iraqis, our concern for our land and sea borders has naturally increased. Our forces have intensified their surveillance of our sea borders. For the first time we have seen British soldiers violate our territorial waters. It was natural for our forces to detain and interrogate them to find out if they had bad intentions or only made a mistake. In sum, the British officials believed and insisted that there was a mistake and there was no bad intention. The Islamic Republic of Iran released the British soldiers because there was no proof of bad intentions on their part.
    [Nun] I asked the people there. They said that was not the first time the Iranian land, sea, and even air were violated. During the war on Iraq, missiles landed in Abadan and other places. Iran did not then strongly react militarily to violations as happened recently.
    [Rowhani] We officially protested whenever a missile fell in our land or a plane violated our airspace. Our forces were also put on alert. When a few British helicopters approached our borders a few months ago, they were confronted with our antiaircraft defences and were forced to return from where they came. This incident was not reported in the news. The issue was resolved through bilateral talks. We told them that their helicopters made a mistake by approaching our borders. Accordingly, our forces are always ready to defend our land, air, and sea borders. Our forces have always responded to any attack whether it was deliberate or not.
    [Nun] We could not understand the nature of the bargain struck between you and the British to release the sailors and keep their boats.
    [Rowhani] The British soldiers were released because there was no proof that their action was deliberate. The issue of returning their boats is currently being examined. The remaining issue is one of protocol. It deals with the way to return the boats. This, for example, will take place at a certain sea border point. The remaining issue is mostly related to protocol and I do not think this is an important issue.


    so there we go then.....we're all chums again....now, as long as we can prevent Not-whistlin-Dixie from scaling the gates of Tehran with a K-Bar between his teeth we'll be fine....

    Le Chevre
  10. G'Man,
    Some RM units have a bit of latitude over personal weapons for reasons best left unexplained. The M&AW cadre, 539 Assault Squadron, some of the raiding boat teams and the Secret Sailors have access to M16s and 203s.