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Ruth Kelly - Im alright Jack

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6240165.stm

Good to see that the former education secretary has now buggered the education system up for children with special needs so much that she has decided to send her child to a "special school". Good to know she can, and has probably got funding from her LEA. The rest of us just have to suffer with LEA's and schools that have to act illegaly as they no longer have the necessary provision.

B1TCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#2
Get your facts right! She's not taking anything from her LEA, if you'd read the article you link to you would have seen that. This is funded by herself and on the advice of the special needs professionals who work within Tower Hamlets education setup!

There are still several forms of learning disability that are best dealt with away from mainstream education, and most of these schools are privately run and have been since the late eighties, early nineties. She has said son will be back in the state system by the time he is due to start secondary education in two years.
 
#4
psychobabble said:
Get your facts right! She's not taking anything from her LEA, if you'd read the article you link to you would have seen that. This is funded by herself and on the advice of the special needs professionals who work within Tower Hamlets education setup!

There are still several forms of learning disability that are best dealt with away from mainstream education, and most of these schools are privately run and have been since the late eighties, early nineties. She has said son will be back in the state system by the time he is due to start secondary education in two years.
I know my facts, as a father of a child with aspergers syndrome and trying to get him an education!!!! From what you have stated you know frigg all about what can and cannot be provided by LEA or the state system for kids with special needs. The truth is, if you want your child with severe diifficulties to be educated, you pay - end of. I suggest YOU get your facts right.
 
#5
Don't think so, from what I've heard of it today on PM on R4 if families don't have the money to pay for it, then the LEA would do so. She's volunteered to pay as she can afford it so as not to be seen to be taking money from council tax payers.

Much as I dislike this government I'm struggling to see what she's done wrong here!
 
#6
psychobabble said:
Don't think so, from what I've heard of it today on PM on R4 if families don't have the money to pay for it, then the LEA would do so. She's volunteered to pay as she can afford it so as not to be seen to be taking money from council tax payers.

Much as I dislike this government I'm struggling to see what she's done wrong here!
Oh, is that so. Shows what you know. My son is now 9 and every time I move I have the merry go round of trying to get him educated. My family have been in Colchester since the begining of October. He started school last thursday. Get you4r facts right before spoutintg off sh1t you know nothing about.

What she has done, is devestate the system she was responsible for to such an extent that the same system can now longer cope. Hypocracy at its best
 
#8
The LEA concerned (Tower Hamlets) said on R4 this evening that if this needs to happen and on professional advice they will pay for it! In general terms and not discussing this particular case. All LEA's are different.

The point I objected to in your post was that you claimed the LEA were paying for it when the story you linked to states quite clearly that they aren't!

I feel for your predicament in the other topic as that's obviosly crap, but not all LEA's work in the same way. Cumbria won't statement any child at all as it puts them under an obligation to do something, so a friend of mine moved into Lancs. where they will and things will happen.

My work involves Child & Adolescent Mental Health referrals out of county ( and this often involves an element of Learning Disability/Developmental Disorder) so I do know something of the systems, though I don't have your first hand experience of the uselessness of a lot of it.
 
#9
I should apologise for misleading people here. Whilst expressing my views on Sunday I had understood that the Sunday papers' guarded comments referred to Brown and his child rather than Kelly. Nonetheless, I still hold the view that these Ministers show considerable hypocrisy when it comes to their own immediate families...
 
#10
Drain Sniffer

I am sorry for the raw deal You got with Essex LEA, it just isn't on.

I must say I agree with nearly all Your points. Whilst I have always supported the good things that have happened in education under this government, the degrading and closure of our special schools has been a disgrace. Some children are not suited to education in a mainstream school, including my nephew who is Downs Syndrome - Liam is lucky in that his educational needs have always been in nearby special schools.

I also agree that Kelly has been hypocritical in several areas. As a member of the Labour she followed the mantra that state education is the moral way for a country to educate its youth and that private education allowed well off families an unfair advantage - to then purchase an education for one of her children is, as I said, hypocritical. For her to push for the closure of special schools and the education of special needs kids in a mainstream setting and then buy her child a higher clas of education borders on the criminal.
 

cpunk

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Moderator
#13
Sven said:
Cameron has just spoken out for Kelly
The difference being that David Cameron is father of a severely disabled child, whereas Ruth Kelly's child has 'dyslexia'. Hmmm.

Of course Cameron can't 'speak out' against Kelly but the difference between the special needs of his child, and those of Ruth Kelly's, is of several orders of magnitude.
 
#14
Sven said:
Whilst I have always supported the good things that have happened in education under this government, the degrading and closure of our special schools has been a disgrace. Some children are not suited to education in a mainstream school, including my nephew who is Downs Syndrome - Liam is lucky in that his educational needs have always been in nearby special schools.
This started a LONG time before Labour were voted in, granted they haven't turned things around but equally the process started a long time ago.
 
#15
What I find shocking about the whole thing just who was desperate enough to bone that howler in the 1st place! Wasn't she also caught out not so long back about the Nimbys last year?. I does stink and says much about the education system she was responsible for
 
#16
psychobabble said:
Sven said:
Whilst I have always supported the good things that have happened in education under this government, the degrading and closure of our special schools has been a disgrace. Some children are not suited to education in a mainstream school, including my nephew who is Downs Syndrome - Liam is lucky in that his educational needs have always been in nearby special schools.
This started a LONG time before Labour were voted in, granted they haven't turned things around but equally the process started a long time ago.
Indeed it did, but this is something that Labour chose to emphasise within their education policy.

The Education Select Committee has just released a report that says that Special Needs provision is not fit for purpose - that says it all really
 
#17
psychobabble said:
The LEA concerned (Tower Hamlets) said on R4 this evening that if this needs to happen and on professional advice they will pay for it! In general terms and not discussing this particular case. All LEA's are different.
My recollection of the R4 story was that the Tower Hamlets spokesman gave the impression that they offered a wide range of services, and could have provided for 'Breeder' Kelly's child. The nature of the advice, and who provided it, remains unclear. The report also stated that the school to which the Kelly brat is to be sent specialises in preparing special children of rich parents for entrance to major public schools.

Anyway, members of the Partei opting out of state education is nothing new. Doesn't one of Bliar's spawn also attend a private school? Wasn't there something of an outcry over Diane Abbott's decision to educate her child privately.
 
#18
Don't expect any politician of whatever leaning, high up the greasy pole to attack Kelly. They will be busy showing 'support', manoeuvering, tidying up their own affairs, ensuring there's no hint of hypocrisy allowed to leak where it shouldn't, and that they give themselves scope for similar actions in the future.


It's also worth considering that MPs have the unusual luxury of engineering pay rises WAY, WAY above the rate of inflation. As quickly as their principles have ebbed away, lots of spare cash has flowed in to cover such emergencies.

It's the sort of situation that those of us with principles rightly abhor - not because we can't afford to do it ourselves, but because the sheer hypocrisy of choosing to opt out of the system you've spent years championing is breathtaking.


I've never voted Labour under Tory Blair because incidents like this could be envisaged even way back when I last voted Labour. For once, I agree with Drain Sniffer, even though he mistakenly said the LEA had baled her out. The Tower Hamlets LEA have in fact insisted that there's no lack of adequate facilities, but her independent adviser thought differently - apparently. For once, I want the Daily Mail's most obnoxious people onto her case - just to get nearer to the despicable truth, whatever that is.
 
#19
Good job that the Dear Leader's priority is "education, education, education" otherwise we would be in a right mess. Oh hang on! We are.