Russians Caught Spying

#2
tomahawk6 said:
I wonder what the Russians were up to in Georgia ? Pretty embarassing for Putin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5391250.stm
I think the answer is looking after there interests :wink:

Tension between Russia and Georgia over N & S Ossetia is high the minute. They may have been spying or the Georgian are just using it as a stick to beat the Putin with.

I am not sure and I do not think that either way it is going to affect the price of fish.
 
#5
Where is Sergey?

He will have a more informative update on this event.
Maybe he was busy planning something.
I found this eairler news report.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/09/07/moscowgeorgia.shtml

Nearly 30 people were arrested in Georgia on suspicion of plotting a coup against the government, officials said. They say those detained are supporters of Igor Giorgadze — the fugitive former head of the state security service. Lawyers for those arrested deny the coup accusations, saying the arrests amount to political persecution
Among those detained are officials of two opposition parties — the pro-Russian Justice Party and the Conservative Monarchists.

The Russian newspaper Kommersant wrote Thursday that Georgia has accused Moscow of backing the plotters. Vano Mirabishvili announced that an attempted coup financed by Russia had been prevented.
 
#9
There's some scary stuff happening there. Earlier in the week some fool shot a Strela-2 at Saakashvili's heli, whilst it had a passing US Senator aboard. Today the Russians are moaning about Georgian FROGFOOTs overflying their positions, and that new NATO states have been arming the Georgians. It might be about to Kick Off.
 
#10
The crisis began two days ago and I was not sure that it would be interesting for our good company.

Russia and current Georgian government signed an agreement about full withdrawal of Russian military bases from Georgia in 2008. Until that time presence of Russian soldiers is absolutely lawfull and accusation in espionage is an absurd. So called Georgian 'army' doesn't worth such efforts.

In fact detained Russian officers are POWs and their capture is an act of a war. But furtunately Russian FM is a very a skillfull diplomat. Likely Russian reaction will be very calm, not military (as pres.Saakashvily awaits) but rather diplomatic.

There will be a discussion in UNSC. If US/UK/France would say that it is simply bilateral question then on similar occasion (like the capture of Israeli soldiers) Russia would have a moral right to block any resolution. It would be a highly undesirable precedent for US. Btw. I have heard a version (on Radio Echo of Moscow) that the capture of Russian officers was ordered by Washington (pres.Saakshvili visited it recently).

What is a plan of pres.Sakashvili? By this provocation he tries to unleash a war, ask American help and deliver Georian territory for American military bases. He hopes to receive a massive financial help because a state of Georgian economy is a real disaster. The country is a typical agrarian state of 19th century. It depends on Russian supplies of electricity and gas. Georian population live in povetry. GDP is only $6.4 blns (population 4.7 mlns.) and $2blns are being sent annually from Russia by Georgians that work here.

It would be interesting to hear a reaction of World leaders. Arrest of the officers is not a detention of ordinary criminals.
 
#12
KGB_resident said:
In fact detained Russian officers are POWs and their capture is an act of a war.
Under various articles of international law, including the Geneva Conventions, they're not considered POWs if they were caught engaging in espionage.
 

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#13
crabtastic said:
KGB_resident said:
In fact detained Russian officers are POWs and their capture is an act of a war.
Under various articles of international law, including the Geneva Conventions, they're not considered POWs if they were caught engaging in espionage.
I think that it depends on whether they were in or out uniform and/or illegals or legals I think. If they were legal soldiers out of uniform (i.e. leave or time of duties) then it would be a very interesting case...
 
#14
What is a plan of pres.Sakashvili? By this provocation he tries to unleash a war, ask American help and deliver Georian territory for American military bases. He hopes to receive a massive financial help because a state of Georgian economy is a real disaster. The country is a typical agrarian state of 19th century. It depends on Russian supplies of electricity and gas. Georian population live in povetry. GDP is only $6.4 blns (population 4.7 mlns.) and $2blns are being sent annually from Russia by Georgians that work here.
Sound like Russia's plan for Europe and I still think Sergey will end up a future president of Georgia
 
#16
Nah, this isn't the Cold War. It's just Russia trying to bully their neighbours into acting like they want them to and regain/prop up what's left of their influence in different regions. It only gets back to that if the US/West start actively aiding them directly againt Russia I'd say. This is more just the spheres of influence/musical chairs game.

One thing that I notice that isn't mentioned in the BBC Online article but one of the expert talking heads mentioned on the news tonight is that at least some if not all four of these guys are meant to be GRU officers. Wonder what if anything their being military intelligence bods is going to affect things.
 

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#17
Ahhh the Aquarium...I recently saw some stats on fuel supply to the former satellites, and to be honest I think Russia has plenty of say in those regions. Having little run-ins with one's neigbours is to be expected, so really by the same rationale the only people the US should be trying to 'influence' (and thats a serious euphemism) are Canada and Mexico.
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
The country is a typical agrarian state of 19th century.
Sergey - I'd say you're being overly harsh here. Surely Georgia is not still some set for a Lermontov novel.

Here a couple of some of the English language articles we've picked up on this topic:

Russian Media:

Russian Defense Chief Accuses NATO of Selling Soviet Arms to Georgia
http://mosnews.com/news/2006/09/29/badnato.shtml

Police cordon off Georgian Embassy in Moscow
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060929/54380506.html

Planes with Russians on board depart from Tbilisi
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060929/54380707.html

Over 80 Russian diplomats, dependants to be evacuated from Tbilisi
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=11596418

Russia worried by NATO expansion
http://en.rian.ru/world/20060929/54376256.html

Protesters Throw Pig’s Head at Georgia’s Embassy in Moscow
http://mosnews.com/news/2006/09/29/pigshead.shtml

Georgian Media:

Okruashvili: Extradition of Russian ‘Spies’ not Ruled Out
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=13701

U.S. Calls for ‘Cooperative Efforts’ to Solve Spy Row
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=13700

Senior Russian Senator Speaks of Georgia’s ‘Spy-Mania’
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=13698

- - - > Perhaps not the best time to be a pig in Central Moscow.

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#19
We Brits never spy on our neighbours. That would be ungentlemanly, old chap! Research, however....
 

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#20
PoisonDwarf said:
We Brits never spy on our neighbours. That would be ungentlemanly, old chap! Research, however....
Research, analysis and of course liason PD, that's all we do ;)
 

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