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Message: [QUOTE="Emcon Ecomcon, post: 11272008, member: 158234"] The trouble is 'talk' has become the currency of the west and maintaining ambiguity is everything in order to retain a consensus and maintain a status quo which suits our side. Whilst at the same time, covertly we do have forces trying to maintain the narrative of defense on one hand and simultaneously pushing a process of hostility towards Russia and everyone else deemed a problem in the other hand. To me Putin wants more. His long term goal is to challenge strategic ambiguity at every opportunity, at a time and place of his choosing and its design is nothing less than break NATO apart. He has worked out that process has to come from within and why he is presenting these challenges like the invasion, to show how crazy one set of neocons are in wanting to exacerbate tensions and it divide the west as it divides this thread. Of course, some will raise the NATO flag and call on everyone to rally against the division, whilst talking nonsense and refusing to be honest about anything. Simply respecting Moscow now is probably something that could have worked 10 years ago, but I think its long past that point. [/QUOTE]