Russian Troop Movements Reported Near Ukraine

When Will Russia Invade Ukraine

  • Wed 16th Feb

    Votes: 20 6.9%
  • Before 22nd Feb

    Votes: 54 18.7%
  • By St David's Day (1 March)

    Votes: 93 32.2%
  • By St Georges Day (23 April)

    Votes: 22 7.6%
  • By August

    Votes: 9 3.1%
  • By Christmas

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • Some time in 2023

    Votes: 17 5.9%
  • Before Hell Freezes Over

    Votes: 68 23.5%

  • Total voters
    289
Interesting article with video of Ukrainian troops training with the 105mm and GMLRS in Salisbury Plain. The Kiwis are chipping in with training too.


Apparently the students are usually already experienced artillery men so easily take to the new systems.

The article also mentions that the U.K. will be training 10k Ukrainian infantrymen every 4 months. Wish we could do more, though I suspect other western allies are also chipping in.
We are, once Ukraine goes on the offensive most of the operations will be spearheaded by people trained here. We are not just training infantry. We have anything from 100-150 round my way on any given day and we are not on our first lot either, and none of those have been infantry bods receiving basic training.

I dearly wish we had more weapons to give them but believe you me when Zelenskyy thanks us for what the UK is doing for his country he isn't just blowing smoke up Boris' arrse.

Someone asked me if our town had been invaded by Ukraine, it pretty much has been....and it is great to see our lot doing so much for them. Add the refugees and we have probably north of 200 of them in this little town. If we are not twinned with somewhere out there after this war is over I would be amazed,
 
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By removing Russian Forces they have re-established Sovereignty no need to reoccupy during hostilities and the Russians have learned although they might reoccupy they can not hold.
The island is about 170 miles from Sevastopol.
Depending on the model, Harpoon has a 150 mile range.
Stick some Harpoons on it and the Black Sea Fleet become very nervous. They have about 20 miles of sea room to play in.
 

Clynester

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Bernie Ecclestone has waded in by stating that he'd "take a bullet" for Mad Vlad'...


I wonder how he reconciles defending a man whose whim is causing the death and destruction of civilians and their towns and homes in a sovereign democracy?
Given the current state of the Russian Army, I wouldn't be surprised if Putin asked Ecclestone to put his commitment in writing.
 
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The island is about 170 miles from Sevastopol.
Depending on the model, Harpoon has a 150 mile range.
Stick some Harpoons on it and the Black Sea Fleet become very nervous. They have about 20 miles of sea room to play in.
Stick some Harpoons on it and the Russians will return the favour in spades.
 
All well and good, but have a look at this thread and this post as an example: https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/changing-the-army-how.305390/page-158#post-11098728
I don't disagree that there are and have been a fair number of arrseholes in senior command positions over time. And while I have no doubt that Patrick Saunders has an excellent command of 'group speak' he will also have an excellent understanding of when 'bullsh1t' is being spoken. I think we are lucky to have him in the Army chair and the Sailor as CDS - both are extremely competent just at the time when competence is required.

Of course, there are a lot of things wrong and a read of Simon Arkam's 'Changing of the Guard' outlines some of the anomalies that are felt lower down the food chain. But there isn't an Army anywhere or at any previous time that went into a fight with everything it needed. Sometimes they had a navigator that knew his way around, sometimes they did not. Currently, whatever the situation the guys at the coalface can be sure they aren't going to get lost or head in the wrong direction. That's good enough.
 

Brooker

Old-Salt
Refugee & IDP wise yes

Deaths wise not yet

Duration wise not yet
We just don't know though & that's the problem every time Ukr troops arrive somewhere they find carnage, I for one would be happy if it never gets to that number but 1 million forcibly taken to Russia sort of suggests differently.

And DITTO as to duration if it ended tomorrow that would be brilliant.
 

Brooker

Old-Salt
The island is about 170 miles from Sevastopol.
Depending on the model, Harpoon has a 150 mile range.
Stick some Harpoons on it and the Black Sea Fleet become very nervous. They have about 20 miles of sea room to play in.
But those harpoons would just get blown up in this island-sized game of ping pong, the harpoons can do their job in a safe place :)
 
If he has accomplished a working knowledge of 'group think' it's because he has been in a lot of different groups

He certainly didn’t display any signs of group think in the Friday morning Divisional DS meetings at Shrivenham…

*Bear with me, please, mods - there’s a ukraine relevant bit to come, but this blasted iPad tries to open a new post if I try to put more than one quote into the same post, and I need to get onto a different device (or post four posts in a row).

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By removing Russian Forces they have re-established Sovereignty no need to reoccupy during hostilities and the Russians have learned although they might reoccupy they can not hold.

Yep - critical point. The island is all-but untenable for the Rus forces, since anything they put there will get smashed by Ukr arty (and possibly, in due course, further air attack) which will out-range anything on the island. The Ukr have made clear their sovereignty, so the question now is whether the Russians will attempt some form of sea control using their submarines, although I suspect that before they knew it there'd be some sort of US assets provided to allow the Ukr forces to start delivering depth charges via drones...
 
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FEASG

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Presumably that will effect the trajectory/range so they will have to practice and waste extra ammo?
Probably all fall off when the rocket motor fires, a sad display of bad skills by the Ukrainians.
 
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Brooker

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So what's this got to do with Ukraine? Basically Xi is no friend of Putin's because it is in China's interest to stay chummy with the West and Russia offers nothing that China wants this year or next or the year after. Russia is in a very short term disaster and is in trouble. Putin is desperate for high end electronics and other gadgetry from China for missiles and maybe some 152mm might slip over the border, but this only serves to make Putin more reliant on Xi. Having Putin as his bitch is exactly what Xi wants. Maybe there are some minor territorial easements along the shared border that Xi might find useful to have in exchange and will forget to give back.
Yeah been saying the same for an age, there is no Russia China bromance, China has very little desire for any serious military conflict because they're not in a position where kit is concerned and even strategy.
So many examples, but you hit the nail on the head is the economics

$1 trillion of trade between USA & EU that feeds 1.5 billion, Russia has nothing that important for China at the moment.

Saudis selling Oil in Yuan China nodoubt buying Russian Oil because it is super cheap

The coal-fired stations are a distraction, China is also the world's largest producer of wind and solar energy, Chinese City Mayors are marked on pollution and they are also closing coal stations down and by 2030 could very well be bigger producers of clean Nuclear power, and if their artificial sun tech comes online that will be a game changer, meaning China is probably closer to achieving its carbon-neutral targets than many in the west are. Especially as Germany despite having perfectly useable Clean Nuc energy is going to use more dirty coal instead, thus screwing other countries which don't have the buying power of Germany
 
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