Russian Troop Movements Reported Near Ukraine

When Will Russia Invade Ukraine

  • Wed 16th Feb

    Votes: 20 6.9%
  • Before 22nd Feb

    Votes: 54 18.7%
  • By St David's Day (1 March)

    Votes: 93 32.2%
  • By St Georges Day (23 April)

    Votes: 22 7.6%
  • By August

    Votes: 9 3.1%
  • By Christmas

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • Some time in 2023

    Votes: 17 5.9%
  • Before Hell Freezes Over

    Votes: 68 23.5%

  • Total voters
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FEASG

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I'm told that (by our man in Moscow) that after Boris's rant about Putin and Toxic Masculinity. The staff came to work to find a 40 foot banner, of Boris dressed as a woman. With the words to effect of " If your Granny had balls, she would be your Granddad2. Could any of our resident trolls provide a photo of them standing by the banner. Or are you all up in the training school in St Petersburg.
 
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StormsInAfrica

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" On 30 June, as a step of goodwill, the armed forces of the Russian Federation completed their assigned tasks on Zmiinyi Island and withdrew the garrison stationed there "

That cannot have been a pleasant task; the garrison shovelled up into bags, then tossed overboard on the way back to Sevastapol. No need to upset the RUS wives & mothers with a decent funeral or evidence of failure.

Interesting tasker.

"Go to this island and see how many 155mm shells you can nut. Whe you've nutted them all, jump in some speedboats and extract. Happy?"
 
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I have just fallen over this site which monitors military aircraft movements


It subdivides to geographical areas (Russia area)


I haven't mastered the search but it appears very flexible
 
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skeetstar

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I'm surprised the extra payload actually departed with the rocket. It looked like it was just held on by clingfilm.
 

Truxx

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I'm waiting for you to spread your knowledge on nuclear weapons, their doctrine, effects and geo-political consequences. And your knowledge of thermobaric weapons. As you've called me out and brushed aside my request for you to put up or shut up, come on, let's all have the benefit of your experience...
Lawrence Freedman walt
 
Good on 'em!

Merde in your eye, Macron!
Minorities have been successfully imposing their will onto the majorities for a couple of decades in the West now, assisted by opportunistic politicians (and not a little help from those TrollCentres). Would Macron stand up for the brave 11%, do you think?
 

skimmer

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Russian says it has withdrawn from Snake Island 'as gesture of goodwill'​

Russian forces have withdrawn from Snake Island in the Black Sea, according to Ukrainian and Russian officials.
The Russian defence ministry said the move demonstrates that it is not hindering UN efforts to organise a corridor for agricultural products from Ukraine, Russian agency RIA reported.
Believe that when all the 'Kilo's are docked or better yet sunk by their own mines.
 
Interesting tasker.

"Go to this island and see how many 155mm shells you can nut. Whe you've nutted them all, jump in some speedboats and extract. Happy?"

Force landed in several landing craft with added AFV for fun, force extracted in just two speedboats. Not good numbers.

And those speedboats will have been to collect any bits and pieces of secret hardware. I'm guessing another General is up for a sacking shortly.
 
Bernie Ecclestone has waded in by stating that he'd "take a bullet" for Mad Vlad'...


I wonder how he reconciles defending a man whose whim is causing the death and destruction of civilians and their towns and homes in a sovereign democracy?
Short arrsed billionaire dictators with an appalling record of arrogance and getting their own way have to stick together when Liberty comes calling and looks intent on kicking your posterior… (with apologies for the F1 pun).
 
" On 30 June, as a step of goodwill, the armed forces of the Russian Federation completed their assigned tasks on Zmiinyi Island and withdrew the garrison stationed there "

That cannot have been a pleasant task; the garrison shovelled up into bags, then tossed overboard on the way back to Sevastapol. No need to upset the RUS wives & mothers with a decent funeral or evidence of failure.

Hopefully the Ukes will just mark as target and not bother trying to occupy it again until the end of hostilities, not worth wasting men and kit there when Russia can still hit it as well.
 
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Hopefully the Ukes will just mark as target and not bother trying to occupy it again until the end of hostilities, not worth wasting men and kit there when Russia can still hit it as well.
By removing Russian Forces they have re-established Sovereignty no need to reoccupy during hostilities and the Russians have learned although they might reoccupy they can not hold.
 
China is massively vulnerable, it relies on the middle east for the majority of its oil supply and its economy runs on trade with the west. It doesn't have much of a long range navy, so it can't keep sea lanes open. It's a big threat locally, though, and if Putler has any sense, he'd keep what ever few working nukes he has pointing firmly east because I bet all that oil and gas that can't be blockaded by other navies looks good to Xi.
Hence China opening more coal fired power stations and getting major wobbles about the merry go round of Australian coal being interrupted. But you can't realistically run trucks or cars on coal or make plastics out of it.

China's economy is heavily based on exports of cheap and cheerful consumer products to the West. The West's current attitude to human rights violations with the Uighurs and Hong Kong (ie, not very much, eg a Strongly Worded Statement from Truss) shows tacit support for China. Basically we are more concerned about a continuing supply of barbecue products and Christmas tree lights than genocide. So for the time being China is 'on our side' and 'not on Putin's'. They know which side their bread is buttered. So do we.

Russia exports nothing of any value apart from gas and minerals and countries that are dependent are frantically trying to convert to other sources. So what is Xi going to do? Continue with his Belt and Road expansion and keep the West pacified and happy with a continued supply of electronic gadgets and gardening tools in exchange for not rocking the oil tankers that he relies on? Or get all Comradely with Putin and start WW3 for absolutely no reason at all? This is 'not good for business.'

China has long standing ambitions for Taiwan and is nibbling away at the Spratlys and other trivial gains, as much to annoy the West as anything else. Britain did much the same planting the Union Flag in anything that didn't actually disappear beneath the waves 150 years ago, principally to piss off the Germans. But these things will wait. China has all the time in the world and is doubtless taking VERY careful note of the current Demonstration Army activities in Ukraine and the Black Sea to see how their own capabilities need to be improved. China will wait though....

So what's this got to do with Ukraine? Basically Xi is no friend of Putin's because it is in China's interest to stay chummy with the West and Russia offers nothing that China wants this year or next or the year after. Russia is in a very short term disaster and is in trouble. Putin is desperate for high end electronics and other gadgetry from China for missiles and maybe some 152mm might slip over the border, but this only serves to make Putin more reliant on Xi. Having Putin as his bitch is exactly what Xi wants. Maybe there are some minor territorial easements along the shared border that Xi might find useful to have in exchange and will forget to give back.

Sooner or later Russia is going to lose this war and be reduced to the global status of a piss stained tramp dossing in a shop doorway. The West is now far too heavily invested to let Putin win. Putin will die one day, maybe sooner rather than later. Once Russia has nothing left apart from natural resources, then China will show it's hand and make Russia an offer it can't refuse.

So in the short(ish) term China is very happy to watch Russia reduce itself militarily and economically in Ukraine to tramp status in a war it knows the West can't let Russia win and meanwhile the powers squabble among themselves creating a comfortably disunited front. In the longer term China strong arms a very favourable trade deal with Russia, Russia becomes a client state selling its mineral resources to China at give away rates, China uses that to economically strong arm the rest of the world in the next ten years, all without firing a shot. What's not to like?
 
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