Russian Troop Movements Reported Near Ukraine

When Will Russia Invade Ukraine

  • Wed 16th Feb

    Votes: 20 7.0%
  • Before 22nd Feb

    Votes: 54 18.9%
  • By St David's Day (1 March)

    Votes: 91 31.9%
  • By St Georges Day (23 April)

    Votes: 21 7.4%
  • By August

    Votes: 9 3.2%
  • By Christmas

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • Some time in 2023

    Votes: 16 5.6%
  • Before Hell Freezes Over

    Votes: 68 23.9%

  • Total voters
    285

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The Russian leadership have been proven not to give a shit about innocent people, so destabilising an entire continent cause European countries to experience an influx of migrants and an upsurge in terrorism as a way of stopping interference in what they consider their affairs, would appeal. It would also interrupt the supply of minerals to the West and give Beijing a free hand.

I hope that forthcoming NATO activities in the Baltic and the Mediterranean will divert Russian naval and air forces and make the limits of Moscow's power, against those they cannot surround, clear to everyone.

It was only a few years ago that SACEUR described the threat to Europe being the three Rs - Russians, Radicals, and Refugees. Did anyone listen?
We could hoist Vlad' with his own petard there and tell the influx that we're starving and resorting to cannibalism but there's plenty to go around in Russia, as per today's propaganda (see upthread), if you'd all like to veer sharply right and march full ahead steadily eastwards, ta very much.
 
And that's exactly what a good leader does, listen to his experts and advisors, formulate/sign off on a plan and have it carried out.

Or are you saying that his advisors and civil servants are responsible for the mistakes his government has made or is that on his head alone?
I'm saying that he's failing to give credit where it's due, and (actually) he wasn't so much leading the COVID response, as hogging the limelight.

But I'm not gonna pursue this conversation on this thread.

Feel free to take it up elsewhere, without me.
 
I do not know for sure and someone hopefully on here will know but would not the preponderance of Russian supporters in Crimea simply be down to the Russian military having had such a large presence in the area, troops, marines sailors and dependents etc and the displacement of the Ukrainian supporting population by oppression and bigotry?

No. Crimea has been part of Russia proper for centuries, and a selection of tsars up to Stalin had Russification programmes that essentially cleansed the native Tartar Turk population.

Crimea was Russian until Kruschev gave it to Ukraine only in the 50s, and has always hosted the Russian fleet and significant ground military forces. Even before 2014 there was a massive independence/pro Russian movement there. As much as I hate to see Russia gain something from its aggression, Crimea isn’t going back. The people genuinely feel Russian. And the few that don’t have already left.
 
Interesting thought.

It was working alright as a population control mechanism until St. Bob of the Bog's stuck his oar in and started insisting we feed them. Arid desert cannot ordinarily support lots of life, h messed with the balance and now they all apparently want to come to the UK to say "thanks" to him.
 
Surely you are not saying that a goal of Russian disinformation is to cause panic buying and resultant shortages?



Oddly the US authorities have just agreed to allow baby formula to be imported from the UK, Australia and Germany


Which would be advantageous to Putin and his cronies. As ex KGB making trouble would have been something of which he has experience.
As well.
 

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LE
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No. Crimea has been part of Russia proper for centuries, and a selection of tsars up to Stalin had Russification programmes that essentially cleansed the native Tartar Turk population.

Crimea was Russian until Kruschev gave it to Ukraine only in the 50s, and has always hosted the Russian fleet and significant ground military forces. Even before 2014 there was a massive independence/pro Russian movement there. As much as I hate to see Russia gain something from its aggression, Crimea isn’t going back. The people genuinely feel Russian. And the few that don’t have already left.
I think you are broadly correct which is one of the reasons that the civilised world let the war criminal Putin get away with it.

Things have changed. It should be objective of the civilised world to strip Russia of all of its colonial possessions. Crimea, Konigsburg, Sakhalin. The population can then decide if they wish to stay and be part of normal decent society or go to Russia.
 
Helping Africa to feed itself Filling African dictator's Swiss bank accounts - has cost the west £billions over several decades already.
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Corrected FOC
 
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