Russian Surveillance Aircraft lost at sea off Syria

As an example of the fiction novel I have in mind, how could my pretend/fictional Air Force put up a graphic similar to the one in this post showing the full flight envelope, and yet also say they had no knowledge of the aircraft they show the flight paths of?

Very tricky that's for sure.
A couple of litres of vodka would be a good start I think. Mixed with anti-freeze, as is traditional of course.
 
I'm not a native English speaker, you know.
For me difference between unacceptable swearing and acceptable in CA expressions is too subtle to make a decision.
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/t...eriments-the-proof.277788/page-2#post-8598076

I see the MODs haven't made any warning.
However, generally you are right. Only parliamentary expressions should be used in CA.
But who am I to decide?
Well, your English varies between posters, so I presume you are collectively more fluent liars in Russian?
 
You’re genuinely trying to say the four F16’s loitered in the area for an hour? That 23 minutes after the attack an Israeli F16 got near to the IL-20? That you’re blaming Israel for a lack of training of Syrian AD units and their habit of lobbing multiple SAMs in the air in the vain hope of hitting something?

It takes something to believe and promote agitprop, but you’re acing it today.
It's not me. Personally I don't make any claims. They are claims made by Russian MoD
‘Criminal negligence’ or disregard to Russia-Israel ties: MoD details chronology of Il-20 downing
Once the Syrian air defenses responded to the initial strike, the Israeli jets switched on radar jamming and pulled back, apparently preparing for another attack. One of the Israeli jets then came closer to the Syrian coast and approached the Russian plane, which was preparing to land at that time.
 
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Well, your English varies between posters, so I presume you are collectively more fluent liars in Russian?
Ah, my dear windmill warrior, once being in Freiburg near local carthedral I had a conversation with a professor from Wurtzburg. No.. my wife began the conversation and as I don't speak German then I joined it using English (what else). The professor said that English from his point is a language to exchange information in rather simple way, while many other languages including German have means for much more complex, colourful methods of communication. I disagreed and said that great English literature shows that much depends on skills in the language. Alas my English is poor, rather primitive and full of mistakes.
 
[QUOTE="KGB_resident, post: 8814225, member: 8026"Snip..... Alas my English is poor, rather primitive and full of mistakes.[/QUOTE]


Наконец, мы можем договориться.
 
[QUOTE="KGB_resident, post: 8814225, member: 8026"Snip..... Alas my English is poor, rather primitive and full of mistakes.

Наконец, мы можем договориться.
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In fairness, it was a charming little story and neatly (well, very poorly) avoided answering the point in any way that the various KGB posters have different levels of English.

Perhaps none of us will notice it was complete deflection that didn't address the point.............oh, hang on ;)
 
I know what they’re saying, but as you’re posting agitprop, perhaps you have a view? It does sound rather far fetched tbh.

They say the jets struck the targets, giving the Russians (allegedly) one minutes notice. None the ‘awesome’ S-400 radars picked the F16’s up. That after the IL-20 was shot down by the Syrians, they continued to loiter in the area for another 37 minutes. That the flight plan of the IL-20 recce’ing ‘terrorist’ positions only takes it over the coast as it makes its approach to land and 23 minutes after the bomb/launch run it only then moves in? Whilst the IDF planes are in the air?

It all sounds rather made up to be honest. I mean the air traffic control didn’t have comms with the IL-20 and they don’t deconflict with the SAM batteries?

Looks to me like ‘trigger happy’ Sy AD operators fearing retribution for failing to do anything about the IDF attack, fire at the next object they see and lob 20 SAMs into the air in the hope of hitting something, and they did. A Russian COOT

Once the Syrian air defenses responded to the initial strike, the Israeli jets switched on radar jamming and pulled back, apparently preparing for another attack. One of the Israeli jets then came closer to the Syrian coast and approached the Russian plane, which was preparing to land at that time.
 
Ah, my dear windmill warrior, once being in Freiburg near local carthedral I had a conversation with a professor from Wurtzburg. No.. my wife began the conversation and as I don't speak German then I joined it using English (what else). The professor said that English from his point is a language to exchange information in rather simple way, while many other languages including German have means for much more complex, colourful methods of communication. I disagreed and said that great English literature shows that much depends on skills in the language. Alas my English is poor, rather primitive and full of mistakes.
And....I don't believe a word of it.
Why?
Because you have long since blown your credibility. You lie by compulsion.

You lying shit.
 
I's not me. Personally I don't make any claims.
Orders are orders, eh?

One of your colleagues accused me of ad hominem the other day. Calling someone a coprophage is an ad hominem. Obviously different standards for inhabitants of the motherland.

And what the hell is a windmill warrior?

Get that database written.

You have now got to the stage where no one believes a single word you say after the degrading gibberish you posted on two Skripal poisoning threads. At least I don't.

The disinformation battalions are losing their effect. That is mainly because most of the operators have no specific knowledge about that which they preach and are moral vacuums.

I hope that doesn't upset you as I know how sensitive you are.
 
I suppose we might now get a short break while the troll factory comes up with a new story that says Russia was still unaware the IDF aircraft were in the area despite knowing exactly where they were and being able to produce charts showing the exact path of the IDF jets...........
In order to prove Russia didn't know they were there!!
 
Orders are orders, eh?

One of your colleagues accused me of ad hominem the other day. Calling someone a coprophage is an ad hominem. Obviously different standards for inhabitants of the motherland.

And what the hell is a windmill warrior?

Get that database written.

You have now got to the stage where no one believes a single word you say after the degrading gibberish you posted on two Skripal poisoning threads. At least I don't.

The disinformation battalions are losing their effect. That is mainly because most of the operators have no specific knowledge about that which they preach and are moral vacuums.

I hope that doesn't upset you as I know how sensitive you are.
KGB is using a particularly pretentious ad hominem against me, referencing the classic Spanish novel Don Quixote.

The Don was a geriatric nobleman, addicted to stories of noble deeds, and who decided that he was obliged to behave as a noble knight from the romances.

In his quest to behave nobly, and slay monsters, he mistook windmills for giants, and tried to charge them, with unfortunate results.

KGB liar seems to think that I also, am delusional in trying to champion standards of behaviour that may be a bit old fashioned, but have no place in their squalid world of cynical and deceitful lies.


I own up to that. I believe in the old fashioned virtues. They are the hallmark of civilisation.
Unlike them, a barbarian conspiracy of liars squatting on the dungheap of Russia, who believe in nothing and would sell their female children as whores if the Godfather of the Kremlin demanded it of them.
 
Just for the sake of, the KGB typing recently said they may have missed the US cruise missile attack on the Syrian air base and asked for a credible news source on the subject to help the man know what it was.

I pointed out 'they' had already commented on the cruise missile raid. They then asked again for a source on the attack.

I wonder if any of you can guess exactly which poster previously typed this about the raid in question:

Quote.
'Most likely' the truth is somewhere between. From my point of view
Pentagon's claim that all missiles and bombs (without exceptions) reached the targets is doubtful.
The exhibition in Moscow is not impressive at all.
There is no even one photo of downed missile made on the spot and it is telling.
At best only a few (if any) missiles were downed.
'Highly likely' indeed 2 missiles failed to hit the targets and we see their remains.
Both sides tell half-truth at best.

As for Qalamoun, then a few days ago Russian mass media reported about huge arsenal of weapons appeared in hands of Assad forces (including 38 tanks). It was reported that the whole rebels units changed sides and joined government forces. At first I thought that it is just propaganda but now the tanks, weapons, former rebel fighters were shown on Russian TV.
It looks as the end of the civil war is near.
End quote.

If you would like a clue, it was a poster who recently said they weren't aware of the raid (but a poster who tells lies)

If you fancy a bit of trivia look up the amounts of missiles the Russian MOD said failed to reach their targets. The comedy factor is that Russia had to lower the amount as they had perhaps originally said more crashed than the USA launched :)
 
How does a super duper russian surveillance aircraft NOT know there are other unidentified aircraft flying near it? and possibly fighterbombers?

Presumably one ot the technical people aboard knows what RADAR is even if the IAF craft had transponders off?
As pure speculation:
  1. The Russian plane or ground defence radar notices the approaching Israeli aircraft. The region is not very big so seeing Israeli aircraft flying about isn't unusual until they start getting really obviously close.
  2. As per their agreement with Israel, they don't however notify the Syrians.
  3. The crew of the Russian plane knowing how the Syrians operate start looking for the fastest way to get out of the line of fire, and decide that an unscheduled landing at the closest landing strip ASAP is the best of the several bad options before them.
  4. The Israeli pilots hadn't expected the Russian plane to react in that way, but they were already on their attack approach and so continue with their original plan.
  5. The Israeli liaison office tells the Russians about the approaching attack to ensure they don't fire off any of their S-400 air defence missiles at the Israeli planes. There may be a limited zone around Russian bases or Russian ground operations where the Israelis are obligated to inform the Russians before entering rather than the zone being all of Syria, so they don't tell the Russians until they get near the warning zone.
  6. This however is either too late for the Russian plane to change plans, or there just aren't any better alternatives available.
  7. The Syrians notice the Israeli planes or missiles approaching, and turn off most of their electronic gear to avoid getting twatted by Israeli anti-radiation missiles in the current or follow-up of what could potentially be multiple waves of attack.
  8. The Syrians do however notice a plane approaching at low level, check their schedule, and see that they're not expecting any friendly aircraft in that time slot.
  9. The Syrians launch ballistically without ground control (as they have done in similar instances in the past) to avoid making themselves a target.
  10. The Russians find themselves to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and then find themselves to be in many places at once.

The above is pure speculation, but it is a reasonable explanation of what could have happened.
 
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I would argue that No3 was best served by clearing the area - probably heading out to sea
Furthermore I suggest that as the Syrian airbase could potentially be a target - and even if Israel has confirmed not its surrounded by SAM sites ( and its already been established that the Syrians tend to let fly with everything at every cockroach fart -when word reaches them they didnt spot the air raid 20 mins earlier ) as such it would not be 1st choice for anyone sensible to head in order to sit out an air raid.
Which suggests to me the Russians were either oblivious to the incoming raid or (as fits the Israeli timetable) The all clear was given and the Russian aircraft was returning to base having loitered well clear during the raid when Goaty mc goat face saw a blip screamed Alluha Akhbar** and then let fly in the general direction.

**Or potentially dasvidaniya after all Syria could well be the punishment posting of choice for AD opératives that previously screwed up in the European theatre (cough Ukraine Cough)-
 
Respectable newspaper Kommersant using its sources in Russian MoD reports about planned transfer of S-300 AD systems to Syria. Previously Russian MoD told about appropriate measures to exclude further Il-20 type tragedies.
Минобо объявило виня
One of such measures, according to Kommersant, could be transfer to Syria S-300 air defense system batteries from the stocks of the Russian Defense Ministry
The systems could be given to the Syrians and also Russian specialists could be sent to help the Syrians to operate S-300 properly.
To exclude the possibility of extraordinary situations, Russian officers would be attached to every Syrian AD [S-300] crew Kommersant source said
 

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