Russian population collapse

#2
looks like nobody wants to shag in russia anymore
 
#4
Distiller's droop?
 
#5
A new study says Russia's demographic 'devastation' has left it facing increasing crisis.
Alas! It is a bitter truth. The problem exists. All 90's were years when a risis followed another one. Many women were afraid to be pregnant because of unstable economical situation. Why do you think mr.Putin is so popular? There is some sort of stability in 2000's but situation can't be improved in few years.

Depopulation indeed is a serious problem. But I believe that it will be resolved. There were many mortal threats in long Russian history. The very existence of Russian people was questioned many times. And each time the Russians found an answer.
 
#6
shame too as many young Russian birds look really fit, i would be prepared to inject my DNA to the Russian gene pool in the service of Mother Russia :)
 

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#7
Interesting article below that one:
Ex-Putin ally quits Kremlin in protest at 'gagging'

Agencies in Moscow
Wednesday December 28, 2005
The Guardian


A leading Kremlin liberal who advised President Vladimir Putin on economic matters for five years resigned yesterday saying he could no longer work in a government that had done away with political freedoms.

Andrei Illarionov, a lone dissenting voice inside a Kremlin dominated by Mr Putin's fellow KGB veterans, complained that he was no longer able to speak his mind, and said he did not want to serve a state that had broken with democratic norms. "Up to now, while there was the possibility of doing something, including speaking out, I thought it was important to remain in this post," he said. "Until not long ago no one put any limits on me expressing my point of view. Now the situation has changed."

Mr Illarionov, who served in government during its flirtations with liberal economics in the 1990s, was appointed adviser to Mr Putin soon after his election victory in 2000. But his liberal views were increasingly at odds with the Kremlin's move to centralise all aspects of Russian life through bringing companies back under state control, while squeezing critics out of parliament and the media.
"This is a state model with the participation of state corporations, which although they are public in name and status, are managed above all for their own personal interests," he said.

This year Mr Illarionov was stripped of his duties as envoy to the G8 leading industrialised nations after criticising Kremlin policy. He was scathing of its heavy-handed approach to the orange revolution in the Ukraine and its nationalisation of the Yukos oil empire of jailed tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a manoeuvre he described as the "shady deal of the year".

Russia assumes the presidency of the G8 from Britain in 2006, but there is growing concern about its suitability to lead the club of rich democracies given the transformation in its political culture.
So, Sergei Nikolayevich, is Khodorkovsky a villainous Mafia oligarch who has ripped off the Russian people or is he all too-visible hapless victim of Neo-Stalinist regime ?

I'd be interested to hear what is the view of babushicky in the Prospekt ?

Lee Shaver
 
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Goatman said:
Interesting article below that one:
Ex-Putin ally quits Kremlin in protest at 'gagging'

Agencies in Moscow
Wednesday December 28, 2005
The Guardian


A leading Kremlin liberal who advised President Vladimir Putin on economic matters for five years resigned yesterday saying he could no longer work in a government that had done away with political freedoms.

Andrei Illarionov, a lone dissenting voice inside a Kremlin dominated by Mr Putin's fellow KGB veterans, complained that he was no longer able to speak his mind, and said he did not want to serve a state that had broken with democratic norms. "Up to now, while there was the possibility of doing something, including speaking out, I thought it was important to remain in this post," he said. "Until not long ago no one put any limits on me expressing my point of view. Now the situation has changed."

Mr Illarionov, who served in government during its flirtations with liberal economics in the 1990s, was appointed adviser to Mr Putin soon after his election victory in 2000. But his liberal views were increasingly at odds with the Kremlin's move to centralise all aspects of Russian life through bringing companies back under state control, while squeezing critics out of parliament and the media.
"This is a state model with the participation of state corporations, which although they are public in name and status, are managed above all for their own personal interests," he said.

This year Mr Illarionov was stripped of his duties as envoy to the G8 leading industrialised nations after criticising Kremlin policy. He was scathing of its heavy-handed approach to the orange revolution in the Ukraine and its nationalisation of the Yukos oil empire of jailed tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a manoeuvre he described as the "shady deal of the year".

Russia assumes the presidency of the G8 from Britain in 2006, but there is growing concern about its suitability to lead the club of rich democracies given the transformation in its political culture.
So, Sergei Nikolayevich, is Khodorkovsky a villainous Mafia oligarch who has ripped off the Russian people or is he all too-visible hapless victim of Neo-Stalinist regime ?

I'd be interested to hear what is the view of babushicky in the Prospekt ?

Lee Shaver
Hi Goatman!

Mr. Illarionov was a 'useful idiot'. His openly pro-Western views and his position as 'economical advisor' were used as a smoke-screen, to demonstrate how liberal is Russian approach in economics. Really opinions of this fool were ignored and I think that last time Putin met with him long, long ago. Namely mr.Illarionov urged Russian government to preserve current gas prices for Ukraine $50 for 1000 cubic meters while typical Eropean price is $250 (in the UK I suppose even higher). Obviously such 'advices' are not in Russian interests. So let's forget about this nought.

As to mr.Khodorkovsky then his fate would be the same in USA, the UK, Italy... Are bosses of Enron or Parmalat victims of Neo-Stalinist regimes?

Of course mr.Khodorkovsky was jailed because of political reasons but for his economical crimes. Anybody in the West has right for own opinion but namely Russian court has right for verdicts.

Russian old women (babushki) have different views. But I suppose that most of them are not Chelsea fans. Some of them even think that their pensions are so modest 'thanks to mr.Abramovitch.

Who are Russian tycoons? Most of them are crooks and looters.
 
#9
Interesting little dispute you've got with Ukraine there, Sergey. Of course, if Russia does put up the gas prices for Ukraine, they will put up the rent for the Black Sea fleet base at Sebastapol, or maybe even rent it to the US Navy instead.
 
#10
AndyPipkin said:
Interesting little dispute you've got with Ukraine there, Sergey. Of course, if Russia does put up the gas prices for Ukraine, they will put up the rent for the Black Sea fleet base at Sebastapol, or maybe even rent it to the US Navy instead.
Unlikely. Even this openly anti-Russian Ukrainian government doesn't think about this possibility.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20051228/42769549.html

The Ukrainian defense minister said Wednesday that the status of a key Russian naval base in his country would not be mentioned at natural gas talks between Kiev and Moscow.

"The [Russian Black Sea] fleet-related issues will not be used against Russia or Ukraine," the Ukrainian Defense Ministry quoted Anatoliy Hrytsenko as saying. "This is a military unit, which must operate smoothly in line with the bilateral treaty and Ukrainian law."
 
#12
AndyPipkin said:
Well maybe just let the US have a couple of bases in Ukraine then, within F15 range of Moscow?
In theory it is possible but I doubt about it too. 4 bases in Romania agreed recently. So USA will have enough bases in the region. Imaginary bases in Ukraine could be too expensive: who knows what would be a policy of the next Ukrainian government?

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/12/15/kyrgyzstanbase.shtml

Kyrgyzstan has dramatically raised the stakes in its dispute with the U.S. over payments for use of a key military base by demanding that Washington pay 100 times the current rent, the Financial Times reported.

Kurmanbek Bakiyev, the Kyrgyz president, wants more than $200 million a year, a 100-fold increase in current lease payments of just over $2 million, according to a source familiar with the dispute.
According to recent amendments to Ukrainian constitution real power will in hands of a prime minister and the elections will take place March 2006.

Happy New Year Andy!
 
#14
KGB_resident said:
A new study says Russia's demographic 'devastation' has left it facing increasing crisis.
Alas! It is a bitter truth. The problem exists. All 90's were years when a risis followed another one. Many women were afraid to be pregnant because of unstable economical situation. Why do you think mr.Putin is so popular? There is some sort of stability in 2000's but situation can't be improved in few years.

Depopulation indeed is a serious problem. But I believe that it will be resolved. There were many mortal threats in long Russian history. The very existence of Russian people was questioned many times. And each time the Russians found an answer.
if it makes you feel any better, i was thinking of retiring to russia whe n i get old and grey. (well, greyer than i currently am now).

it would work really well everybody - i'll shag the local wildlife and get them all preggers whilst drinking stupid amounts of russian 'water'. come n9 mnths later, russia will raise an army of drunkards in my own image. hurrah.
 

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