Russian planes again fly over U.S. Navy ships

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by KGB_resident, Mar 20, 2009.

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    Using what language? English? Teach Russian to contact.

  2. The only language in international aviation is English. If Russian aircrew do not understand English, then maybe they ought to stay at home, plenty of room there to play toy soldiers.
  3. English is the legally accepted international language for aviation Sergey.

    We routinely speak with your aircrews (and ships company if we're overflying your assets), as we did during the Cold War. Indeed, good airmanship often dictates we attempt comms during an intercept; whether you guys wish to answer is another issue.

  4. With the age and condition of those bears the US were probably more worried about them falling out of the sky onto the ships than anything else :lol:
  5. The Bears will be significantly younger than all USAF B-52s. And let's not even mention our 43 year old VC10s and C-130Ks.

    Most of the current Bear F, H and Js remaining in service will have been produced in the mid-late 1980s.

  6. I just do not get this at all.
    I am NOT saying that the United States has some God given right to a Hegimonic position in the World. But what the Russian government is doing does not change the relative BoP? It seems to me, to be an almost Lilliputian display of "power". Does it gain political marks in the domestic political market?
    Lets say something does "happen" during one of these displays of "power". What is the next step, a nuclear exchange (because the conventional forces at Russia's disposal are hardly a "threat" to the United States?
  7. This is an utter non-story.

    We watch them. They watch us. We watch them watching us and so on. It happens on an almost weekly basis.

    The only thing which makes this newsworthy is that Russian activity is returning to Cold War levels because Putin wants to reassert Russian image and influence after some 20 years where funding reduced their military to third world status.

  8. in civil aviation

    I'm unaware about any agreement that establish specific language as common for military aviation on duty.

    then it is not a tragedy at all. Though I suppose that they understand.
  9. However, would it be logical and usefull to sign an agreement that specifies details - altitude of such overflights, the procedure of communication (language, radio frequency)?
  10. How do Russian air crew communicate while abroad then in let's say Venezuela? they do the English thing of just speaking their own language, but louder?
  11. If anything accidental were to happen, then there'd be some mild muttering, but precedent suggests no more than that.

    The old HMS Ark Royal was cut up by a Soviet destroyer in 1970, and although she'd gone full astern, physics took over and the Ark rammed the Russian ship. Several Russians on deck were flung into the oggin as a result. Two died, a one or two were rescued by Ark's boats, and another chap refused to get aboard a capitalist rowing boat and swam back to the destroyer, escorted by the boat conveying the rescued sailor back to mother.

    Ark sustained minor damage, but the destroyer was managled in several places and lost its no claims bonus.
  12. Not to mention a few submarines going bump under the oggin.
  13. Military aircrew are required to operate under ICAO regulations which stipulate a wide variety of airspace and procedural issues. For instance, CAA and FAA (acting under the auspices of ICAO) have legally stopped several US and UK military practices and have the final say of nearly all airspace use.

    At the very least, it is poor airmanship if Russian military aircrew fail to adhere to the basic principles.

  14. Sergei we all share the same airspace a lot of the time, there are lots of scheduled and non scheduled civilian flights over the North Sea, and when the Russian Air Force decides to pay us a "courtesy visit" we have to distinguish between them and legitimate visitors and messages will be passed in English, also the civvies like to know what's going on. As for agreements, I cannot name any, I have been out of the business for too long now, but common sense dictates that a knowledge of English is vital. This was demonstrated a few years ago in southern Germany just north of Switzerland. A Russian aircraft bumped into another cargo aircraft, no survivors and most of the Russians were children or young persons. Lack of English was a deciding factor.
  15. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    If you had the slightest idea of what you were talking about you would know what it is and that it already exists.