Russian Involvement in the Vietnam War

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  1. Having contributed to and read with interest the long running thread on British involvement (or not!) in the Vietnam war, and having read fictionalised accounts of Russian snipers & spetznaz etc., just to what extent did the Russians involve themselves militarily in the Vietnam War?
     
  2. It was rumoured at the time, the Russians profited from an exchange of captured American aircrew for weaponry and other logistic support. The Russians were rumoured to be keen in debriefing such POW's on their technical expertise.
     
  3. Not sure about during the war but I read that a few Russian sailors got knifed by locals during runs ashore, apparently they were viewed in much the same light as the Americans were, interlopers in the country.
     
  4. Some of the US made 'Military History' programs on the TV suggest that Rooshins provided serious Technical help on AA matters especialy where Radar and use of Misseles was conncerned.

    john
     
  5. The Soviet Union were the main suppliers of medical supplies, anti-aircraft missiles, arms, planes, tanks, artillery, helicopters and other military equipments for North Vietnam. In 1991, Russian officials admitted that the Soviet Union had sent up to 3,000 troops to Vietnam during the war - these were what you would call 'military advisors'.

    The americans were involved as 'advisors' too so its perfectly plausible that americans fought russians in the vietnam war (i don't know if it happened or not its been years since i studied this area), but as they were each just there helping south or north vietnam it wasn't considered an official engagement between the usa and the ussr - if it had the cold war would have turned hot and we'd all be pretty f*cked right now. The USA and USSR dueled many times during the cold war but it was always indirectly using other countries eg korea, cuba, afghan even -using the term 'advisors' meant they could get involved without being seen to directly provoke the other superpower - all part of one very big f*ck off global chess game.
     
  6. Like in Korea, Americans sometimes heard Russian voices on the radio during dogfights even though the pilots were most certainly not supposed to be Russian.
     
  7. In the book Snake Pilot the author describes how one of the KIA from his attack has caucasian features. The author then suggests that he must have been a Russian advisor, this was in the early seventies.

    DC
     
  8. Let us remember also that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was so large and diverse, that it included asiatic tribal regions who also served in the Soviet Army, Navy and Air Force. Not all Soviet citizens, therefore were Caucasian, just as in China today, there are citizens with Eurasian features. It would be perfectly feasable to integrate some of these Asians with the Advisers and in particular they would be more acceptable in appearance to the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) and National Liberation Front for South Vietnam (NLF)(Viet Cong)
     
  9. RP578

    RP578 LE Book Reviewer

    Our friend chippymick posted this on another forum last year which might shed some light on things. It's a Pentagon statement concerning the claims made by CNN and Time about USSF killing American defectors in North Viet Nam and Laos (my bold).

    A couple of Cubans were reported by US POWs as being interrogators and were later identified as Eduardo Morjon Esteves and Luis Perez Jaen who were assigned to the Cuban Embassy in Hanoi as military attaches during 1968-69.There was also the case of western Mercenaries and idealists who fought for the Communists such as the Dutchman, Johannes Duynisveld:
    And as ever YouTube offers up its tuppence. Here's a Russian programme about a former Soviet Advisor which just sounds like armed over Commie apologetica.



     
  10. jim24

    jim24 Book Reviewer

    At the time of the Vietnam War most of the time China and the Soviets were hardly talking to one and other, but the Russians most certainly gave the Viets a massive amount of Equipment,both civil and military, one of the best referance books for this is the Pulitzer prize winning "Bright and Shinning Lie" by Neil Sheehan
     
  11. They needn't have bothered, and they didn't. To the Vietnamese foreigners were foreigners, and they know that the Americans know that they know that they know etc.
     
  12. Not all Asians look like Vietnamese, though. Russian Asiatics are pretty much exclusively from the Mongolian or north Chinese families of peoples and would stand out as much to a Vietnamese as a Swede would in Sicily. For all that Yanks in general can be pretty obtuse about subtle cultural differences, they've got enough smart cookies in their intelligence community to spot the difference as well.
     
  13. Quite. But for all that it never ceases to amaze me how people can be so obtuse about anthropoligical differences when they can spot different breeds of dogs / cats / pigs cows etc etc. Must be conditioning.
     
  14. Soviet officer who 'shot down McCain over Vietnam' speaks out | World | RIA Novosti

    Soviet officer who 'shot down McCain over Vietnam' speaks out

    An ex-Soviet officer who claims to have shot down U.S. Senator John McCain's plane over Vietnam in 1967 has said he is happy the ex-navy pilot lost his bid for the White House, a Russian paper said on Monday.
    McCain was shot down over Hanoi while on a bombing mission on October 26, 1967, and taken captive by the North Vietnamese. He spent five and a half years in a POW camp, and claims that he was tortured. His time in captivity left him unable to raise his hands above his head.

    Although McCain's former Vietnamese prison guards have said that they have forgiven him for his bombing raids, and that they even rooted for him in the U.S. presidential elections, 70-year-old Yury Trushyekin has no such warm feelings.

    "It's good that he didn't become president. Even in the camp they said how he really hated Russians, as he knew it was our missile that shot him down," Trushyekin told the MK v Pitere paper. "Russian-American relations would have suffered, that's for sure."
     
  15. RP578

    RP578 LE Book Reviewer

    That story has more holes than a sieve. For a start McCain flew the A4 Skyhawk and not the F4.