Russian 'intelligence' comedy of errors

Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS went missing earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.

If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.
FOAD with your off topic drivel, Russian troll.
 
Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS went missing earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.

If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.
"Money talks - BS walks", as our Septic friends say. In both cases. Anti-Russian hysteria help them to steal some of Russian money, pro-Saudian calmness help them to earn some Arabic money. All other is just a usual hypocrisy, nothing more.
 
Make your minds up, chuckles.

I thought the evidence was all waiting to be rolled out on the 'future court case'?


So on one hand some of you beliebers reckon the evidence has been publicised already...and on the other; some of you think it hasn't been shown.

Reassuring that both sides of believers are still adamant it was a Ru job, even though we have actually been witness to nothing but propaganda.

You seriously need to get your story straight.


Under UK law the onus of proof is on the accuser.
You already are aware of this fact so why try to distract?



No broadcaster has touched this whole thing, maybe as they might actually make an effort to get to the bottom of things?

You've got to marvel at the monkey-antics that plod have got up to over the last 7mths.

Briefly here's a few ways plod has let the UK public down, just on this one occasion.

They have released precisely no CCTV footage of Sergei and Yulia Skripal on 4th March, even though it does exist and would surely have been helpful to the investigation.

They have never explained who the two people seen walking through Market Walk at 15h47 were, and whether they have been ruled out of inquiries.
Or where the red bag disappeared to......


They have not provided a coherent explanation of the role of Detective Sergeant Nicholas Bailey, or why he has not returned to work for Wiltshire CID since March.

They failed to include the timestamps on most of the images they released on 5th September when they formally accused two men of the attempted assassination of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.

They have doctored the image from at least one CCTV camera but have never offered an explanation why.




They have never retrospectively completed the timeline for the movements of the Skripals on the morning of 4th March and so have never confirmed where they were between 09h00 and 13h30.

They failed to include in their timeline that Mr Skripal fed ducks with some local boys at 13h45, handing bread to them, which puts into doubt the claim that Mr Skripal had at that time been poisoned, even thought this is important, and footage exists which shows it.

They presented a timeline which shows that the Skripals went to the Mill Pub, then onto Zizzis, whereas all early reports and witnesses suggest the opposite.

They failed to identify the suspects as Anatoliy Chepiga and Alexander Mishkin, despite millions of pounds of resources, and they have since failed to either confirm or deny whether they believe Bellingcat’s identification of these men to be true or false.

The uksystem are not to be trusted.
They have been ardently working against the British people on their anti-Ru agenda since March '18.

It is funny to see that when Corbs suggested the Russians investigate the nerve agent used in March he was ridiculed yet now everyone seems to be OK with the KSA investigating themselves over Khashoggi

US to give Saudi Arabia 'few more days' on Jamal Khashoggi investigation before responding

Obviously the SOP can't be applied to KSA as they're buying all our munitions/kit and keeping the MIC in business.

Britain’s secret deal for RAF to train Saudi Arabia air force | Daily Mail Online

Ru, OTOH, have their own gig and the UK only serves as somewhere to hide/move lots of dirty money.

Forget the pledges to act – London is still a haven for dirty Russian money | Oliver Bullough

Something the uksystem obviously doesn't mind.
I’m not usually one to get involved in this sort of thing, but I really can’t work out whether after David Icke laid his eggs in your brain you changed your name to Otto von Krackenpot and spend your free time genuinely believing you’re a corner shop in Wigan, or on the other hand and given your command of the English language, if it ever bothers you that you’re betraying your country’s values for a meagre living or misguided sense of grievance, or possibly both.

Either way, it should by now be obvious to even you that your efforts on ARRSE have been an enormous waste of your time, and the only real benefit you bring is that others are better informed when much more reasoned posters take the time to counter your incessant but easily debunked offerings.

Not that my advice carries any weight, but instead of wasting your life pasting up huge posts that you’ve spent your time copying from other websites, and that no one’s ever really going to read or even if they do take anything close to seriously, it might be a good idea to just go for a pleasant walk. That’s what I do when I think I’m a small shop and I feel much better for it.
 
Think it your own way.
As I said, your squeals and cries of innocence speak volumes on your cowardice in admitting you are one and the same poster
 
Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS went missing earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.
Funny how the trolls and ‘lying walting conspiraloons’ try and equate the two. Neither Sergei or Yulia are ‘missing’ and certainly weren’t at ‘two weeks’ as they were in Salisbury Hospital recovering from a Nerve Agent attack. Funny how you ignore the deaths of Russian journalists.

The CPS have said they have ‘a reasonable chance of a successful prosecution’ and warrants have been issued. Now if Russia’s ‘slush averse goons’ are prepared to defend their innocence, they are welcome to surrender to British justice..
If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.
Clearly you need help, please seek it: https://www.sane.org/
 
"Money talks - BS walks", as our Septic friends say. In both cases. Anti-Russian hysteria help them to steal some of Russian money, pro-Saudian calmness help them to earn some Arabic money.
Anti Russian hysteria? Or actual concern about Russia stealing parts of other countries, MH17, hacking, troll factories, attempts to influence elections, use of CBRN, support of CW use by allies etc?
All other is just a usual hypocrisy, nothing more.
Talking of hypocrisy? Why are you scared to admit you are @YarS?
 
Only in your deliriouse imagination.
Stick to the script, ‘deny everything Baldrick’
Only because I avoid direct lie. Honesty is the best policy, imho.
No, you haven’t admitted you are @YarS, but have you outright denied you are?

Your cowardice in admitting it is revealing though.
 
Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS went missing earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.

If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.
Spot the difference:

One country was accused of killing (in their own ‘diplomatic territory’ and granted an intial interrogation
One country was accused of using a nerve agent openly in a foreign country
Action against one country was taken up over two weeks after the incident
One country has confessed (in over two weeks, a similar timeframe to the action against the other country) - and put the blame on individuals
One country has ignored the same opportunity for seven months and lied, denied (though the head of state is yet to directly deny without making snide remarks), and made up fairytales
 
Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS were poisoned by two GRU agents earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.

If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.
I'll just clarify the latest drivel.
 
Exactly, duplicity. Why not?
As I said earlier - I try to avoid direct lie, but I'm not Michael, or anybody else from the "Film Removers". (For the truly ignorant Brits, it is the reference to John Milton, Paradise Lost, book 11: "But to nobler sights, Michael from Adam’s eyes the film removed")
 
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Funny how the trolls and ‘lying walting conspiraloons’ try and equate the two. Neither Sergei or Yulia are ‘missing’ and certainly weren’t at ‘two weeks’ as they were in Salisbury Hospital recovering from a Nerve Agent attack.
May be. May be not (highly likely). Nobody see them there.
Funny how you ignore the deaths of Russian journalists.
There is an article in Wikipedia about Russian journalists deaths, but ther eis no article about British journalists deaths (three deaths in the European list, one - Bulgarian, one Irish, third - Scottish - killed by Irish, is really nothing). I see only two possible explanations - English journalist are immortal, or (what is more likely) - Brits ignore their deaths.
Now if Russia’s ‘slush averse goons’ are prepared to defend their innocence, they are welcome to surrender to British justice..
Did you read George Orwells "Shooting an Elephant"?
George Orwell: Shooting an Elephant
Its short, but pretty good story about British inability to stop their expected behaviour, even when it obviously wrong.
Sure, there are no such thing as the "British Justice"
 
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Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS went missing earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.

If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.


Oh, it's the one with the better grammar today rather than the "typical Russian" from Central Casting.
 
Two disappearances, and two very different responses from Western governments, which just illustrates the rank and blatant hypocrisy at play from the west.

When SS/YS went missing earlier this year, there was almost immediate punitive action by the British government and its NATO allies against Moscow.

By contrast, Western governments are straining with restraint towards Saudi Arabia over the more shocking and provable case of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The outcry by Western governments and media over the Skripal affair was deafening and resulted in Britain, the US and some 28 other countries expelling dozens of Russian diplomats on the back of unsubstantiated British allegations that the Kremlin tried to assassinate an exiled spy with a deadly nerve agent.

The Trump administration has further tightened sanctions citing the Skripal incident.

It is an outrage that based on such thin ice of “evidence”, the British have built an edifice of censure against Moscow, rallying an international campaign of further sanctions and diplomatic expulsions.

Now contrast that strenuous reaction, indeed hyper over-reaction, with how Britain, the US, France, Canada and other Western governments are ever-so slowly responding to Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi case.

After nearly two weeks since Jamal Khashoggi entered the KSA consulate in Istanbul, the Saudi regime is this week finally admitting he was killed on their premises – albeit, they claim, in a “botched interrogation”.
Turkish and American intelligence had earlier claimed that Khashoggi was tortured and murdered on the Saudi premises by a 15-member hit squad sent from Riyadh.

Britain, France and Germany this week issued a joint statement calling for “a credible investigation” into the disappearance. But other than “tough-sounding” rhetoric, none of the European states have indicated any specific sanctions, such as weapons contracts being revoked or diplomatic expulsions.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was “concerned” by the gruesome claims about Khashoggi’s killing, but he reiterated that Ottawa would not be scrapping a $15 billion sale of combat vehicles to Riyadh.

The Saudi rulers have even threatened retaliatory measures if sanctions are imposed by Western governments.

The western-bloc are really not going to risk their largest, genocidal client going to the Ru/PRC for munitions/kit.

It's all just business and it only suits the movers and shakers when it's going to hit 'em in their back-pocket.

If you can't see the wood for the trees yet you must really be blind.

@184461 makes a very good point in this post!!

The two cases GOT VERY DIFFERENT responses, perhaps it was because in the Turkey consulate case the journalist did actually dissapear, while in the Salisbury case we knew where the Skripals were and so the responses were different.

We knew (184461 isn't part of 'we') where the Skripals were at all times, and we knew the travel arrangements of the pair of GRU operatives.

184461 also fails to recognise that one case happened on UK soil, so is subject to UK law and the other case was in Turkey and so nothing to do with UK law.

In the end he sees a connection between a case in the U.K., subject to U.K. Law where no-one dissapeared and a case in Turkey not subject to UK law where an journalist dissapeared..............

But then he's an idiot who lies all the time and makes things up so it's no surprise he's completely wrong again.

Posters will not have failed to note that the government where 184461 lives have also given the Salisbury incident a different response to the UK government, and will have also noted he doesn't mention that as he isn't allowed to say where he lives.
 

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