Russian 'intelligence' comedy of errors

Yes, I've read the new version. Now it is a bit better (with academy of S. Kirov (in fact "S.M. Kirov") and with the changed year of graduation, but also continue to be baseless and stupid list of statements. They said, that they "established" something, but without methodology - it is just a helpless meowing, nothing more.
Really, Brits have fingerprints of "Petrov" and "Boshirov", Russians have base of every serviceman's fingerprints.
If there are serious reasons to suspice "Petrov and Boshirov" in the attempt of murder - the best way is to publish it officially.
No the best way is to say we want to talk to these people since we have evidence to suspect them. Its then up to the courts with a jury to decide on guilt following presentation of the evidence in Court not in the media. That's how a free country works.

But then you are a moron.
 
Jesus wept!!! What part of this are you failing to understand? The CPS/Police/ukgov (whoever you want to blame on any particular day) will never (NEVER) provide full disclosure of evidence to anyone, let alone the general public, prior to a trial. Why do you expect them to? It's not going to happen unless one of the perps sets foot outside Russia, when they will be arrested, extradited back her and face trial.
And what about possibility of civil lawsuit? Can Yulia Skripal to blame "GRU" in her poisoning and demand enough of money for her heal and compensation for moral suffering in British court?
 
Troll factory hit


Interesting how shes sitting at one of the desks nearest the door on one of the least comfy chairs, instead of one of the desks with the nice office chair where the molotov comes in! That her reaction is so calm, quick and easy, she just gets up and walks out. No movement of shock or WTF is that.

Almost like shes expecting it. Notice how the blinds are rustling before the Molotov comes in.
 
Russia threat warning after military doctor named as second suspect in Skripal attack

From the first glance his (internal) passport looks as authentic.

But look at the red ornament above and to the left from the photo.
What is its purpose? To prevent forgery in the form of substitution of photo
Look at the fragment of my own passport issued in 2002 (16 year ago when I was only 45).
ПОЛЕЩУК СЕРГЕЙ НИКОЛАЕВИЧ - POLESHCHUK SERGEY NIKOLAYEVICH
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You may see that the ornament is printed on the photo and on the page of the passport (partly outside of the photo).
Also note that the ornament is never printed above image of the head, only on blank space.
Here we see the ornament printed BELOW the head and at least upper part of the ornament is not printed on the page (outside the photo). They are apparent features that point to the forgery.
So it is clear why Blind Cat (not the Met or MI5) was used to spread lies.
That could be anyone - all you Russians look alike
 
And what about possibility of civil lawsuit? Can Yulia Skripal to blame "GRU" in her poisoning and demand enough of money for her heal and compensation for moral suffering in British court?
Then she has to get her own evidence.

There tends not to be civil lawsuits when a crime has taken place in the UK. How could she sue a non UK government department?
 
Interesting how shes sitting at one of the desks nearest the door on one of the least comfy chairs, instead of one of the desks with the nice office chair where the molotov comes in! That her reaction is so calm, quick and easy, she just gets up and walks out. No movement of shock or WTF is that.

Almost like shes expecting it. Notice how the blinds are rustling before the Molotov comes in.
And then comes back to get her (being a Russian) meager possessions.
 
Heresy in the ranks of certain UK media?
Opinion: The tough questions we should be asking about the Skripals and Bellingcat
The public aren't the only ones getting threaders with this whole thing by the look of it.

'The only incontrovertible fact in that assertion is the location, Salisbury.
Pretty much everything else remains speculative.


On the one hand, the GRU is being presented as a bunch of duffers, whose decorated and highly qualified agents were booked into an east London dive, behaved badly, were deterred by a bit of snow, abysmally failed in their mission, and now face the wrath of Putin.
On the other hand, we are told that the GRU is the crème de la crème of state agencies, that Russia is mighty and malevolent and that we should be very, very afraid.


Which is it?'
You do understand that this is an opinion piece by a writer known for producing controversial opinion pieces for a former newspaper that can’t get enough readers to even have a print version any more, don’t you?
 
Cracking final, last word from a brave but soon-to-be-flogged Mary Dejevsky...

'But the flaws in the way Russia has presented its case are not my prime concern.

I am in the UK, a British citizen and a UK journalist, and I find the evidence and the explanations so far offered by our own side in what is becoming an all-out information war both deficient and scandalously short
on credibility
– and so, I suggest, should you.
'
Opinion: The tough questions we should be asking about the Skripals and Bellingcat

Some editors have obviously been allowed to push back against these censorious times.
That’s the second time you’ve quoted her. Even Craig Murray thinks she’s an idiot, which really is saying something.
 
There were multiple questions as to the CCTV operating correctly and footage being recorded.
It was never actually confirmed to be working (by plod/guv etc) till this FOIA was answered.
20181009 1624 ENQ09859 REQ001 Resp Letter.pdf
Or if it had I'd never heard of it.

So on one hand they've had all the CCTV right from the start and on the other they were reporting they had no leads at all in their ongoinginvestigation.
Was that a deliberate deception meant to throw the perpetrators off-track (to what means?) or were they just figuring out how to deal with all the footage for the Skripals, Ernie/Bert etc?

The only way to play it was to play the ignorant-card and hopefully never have to show any of the footage to an independent panel anytime soon.

'Cos what you don't know won't hurt them.
Why would you, a stupid conspiraloon promoting a rogue state, need to specifically hear whether CCTV was working in a town in the other side of the world?
 
Interesting how shes sitting at one of the desks nearest the door on one of the least comfy chairs, instead of one of the desks with the nice office chair where the molotov comes in! That her reaction is so calm, quick and easy, she just gets up and walks out. No movement of shock or WTF is that.

Almost like shes expecting it. Notice how the blinds are rustling before the Molotov comes in.
Also worthy of note is that the room is so cold that she’s wearing a coat and has a portable heater just behind her. GRU showing its prosperous wealth there.
 
Heresy in the ranks of certain UK media?
Opinion: The tough questions we should be asking about the Skripals and Bellingcat
The public aren't the only ones getting threaders with this whole thing by the look of it.

'The only incontrovertible fact in that assertion is the location, Salisbury.
Pretty much everything else remains speculative.


On the one hand, the GRU is being presented as a bunch of duffers, whose decorated and highly qualified agents were booked into an east London dive, behaved badly, were deterred by a bit of snow, abysmally failed in their mission, and now face the wrath of Putin.
On the other hand, we are told that the GRU is the crème de la crème of state agencies, that Russia is mighty and malevolent and that we should be very, very afraid.


Which is it?'
You’re clearly running out of ideas now. All through this the main plank of your argument has been that the various inconsistencies in MSM reports are due to the U.K. Government not being able to keep their story straight based on an unwavering narrative that the MSM is a mouthpiece of UKGov.

And now, you post an oped piece questioning the UKGov version.

Without realising it, you have smashed your own line of argument to pieces.
 
Yeah, but it only works if you went into the whole scenario, back in March, with an open mind.

I've tried believing the govt without proof in the days gone by.

I grew-up out of that pretty rapidly.

The majority of posters on here seem to find the without proof bit not a problem though.

7mths on and there's still no evidence of Ru state collusion or evidence of anything tangible.

It's all definitely the Russkies though.
Yes, it's a real mystery isn't it?
At least two GRU agents with laughable alibis in the same place & on the same day as a former Russian spy is poisoned by a Russian developed NA.
Remembering of course that Russia has a record of denying wrongdoing when anyone with the slightest bit of common sense can see that Russia is lying yet again.
I can't see why you might be confused.

But you, as a self confessed conspiraloon can be faced with any amount of evidence & still see a conspiracy.

How many times have you been asked who else but Russia?
How many times have you been asked what else these GRU agents were doing in Salisbury?

You've not been able to answer either because you can't face facts can you?

Unlikely as it may be that these two (or more) face trial & admit everything, you'll still witter on that it's a conspiracy & poor Russia is being blamed again.

Awaits more incoming wibble, probably about things that have been answered endless times.
 
No the best way is to say we want to talk to these people since we have evidence to suspect them.
If you want just to talk with them - you can use phone. If you suspect them in the crime against Russian citizens - you can send your evidence in Russian police. If any of British citizens believes that Russian GRU is really guilty in his commercial losses and/or moral suffering - he can blame them in British court.

Its then up to the courts with a jury to decide on guilt following presentation of the evidence in Court not in the media.
And why Charlie Rowley don't ask GRU and British Court for compensation (what is ten million pound for GRU and what was Dawn Sturgess for him?) ? Does it mean, that he don't believe in British Court and/or GRU guilty?
 
No it wasn't confirmed back in March.
It's the complete lack of any/all CCTV that got the questions asked in the first place.
7mths on and we've seen absolutely nothing on the CCTV that would clear the whole mess up....
but they don't want that.
'Was Salisbury's CCTV on' at time of 'nerve agent' attack?

HOW DOES SALISBURY CCTV WORK?

The CCTV operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

The cameras are HD with the majority having the ability to zoom, tilt and also pan.

Wiltshire Police have used the pictures produced by it in investigations and since January 2018, there have been 142 incidents in which CCTV has been sent to them.

Earlier this month, pictures were released of Russians Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov who are suspected to have poisoned Sergei and Yulia Skripal.


(Don't mind the white, photo-shopped outlines of all 3 in phot or the dodgy blurred paving slabs around our 2 assassins and a complete lack of date/time stamp on this official ready-to-be-used-in-court footage.)
SALISBURY CCTV: Fully operational and back to being manned

This is the only 100% official confirmation that all cameras were on that day and recording.
20181009 1624 ENQ09859 REQ001 Resp Letter.pdf

Some proper evidence would be surprising but nice.
Yes it was confirmed in March. It’s even referred to in the FOI response
 
And what about possibility of civil lawsuit? Can Yulia Skripal to blame "GRU" in her poisoning and demand enough of money for her heal and compensation for moral suffering in British court?
Yes, but criminal compensation can be awarded to victims as part of a criminal trial.
Civil trials can be raised for the same case, but usually after the criminal case
 
Cracking final, last word from a brave but soon-to-be-flogged Mary Dejevsky...

'But the flaws in the way Russia has presented its case are not my prime concern.

I am in the UK, a British citizen and a UK journalist, and I find the evidence and the explanations so far offered by our own side in what is becoming an all-out information war both deficient and scandalously short
on credibility
– and so, I suggest, should you.
'
Opinion: The tough questions we should be asking about the Skripals and Bellingcat

Some editors have obviously been allowed to push back against these censorious times.
Correspondent who also appears on RT writes articles in the Independent and the Guardian. The ‘D Notices’ are clearly affecting her :) and she has ‘an agenda’ but clearly no experience of criminal investigations.

She, along with everybody else would be crying foul if it compromised a fair trial.
 

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