Russian death squads ‘pulverise’ Chechens

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  1. Spanish_Dave

    Spanish_Dave LE Good Egg (charities)

    Taken from MP.Net

    THE hunt for a nest of female suicide bombers in Chechnya led an elite group of Russian special forces commandos to a small village deep in the countryside. There they surrounded a modest house just before dawn to be sure of catching their quarry unawares.

    When the order came to storm the single-storey property, dozens of heavily armed men in masks and camouflage uniforms - unmarked to conceal their identity - had no difficulty in overwhelming the three women inside. Their captives were driven to a military base.

    The soldiers were responding to a tip-off that the eldest of the three, who was in her forties, had been indoctrinating women to sacrifice themselves in Chechnya’s ferocious war between Islamic militants and the Russians. The others captured with her were her latest recruits. One was barely 15.
    “At first the older one denied everything,” said a senior special forces officer last week. “Then we roughed her up and gave her electric shocks. She provided us with good information. Once we were done with her we shot her in the head.

    “We disposed of her body in a field. We placed an artillery shell between her legs and one over her chest, added several 200-gram TNT blocks and blew her to smithereens. The trick is to make sure absolutely nothing is left. No body, no proof, no problem.” The technique was known as pulverisation.

    The young recruits were taken away by another unit for further interrogation before they, too, were executed.
    The account is one of a series given to The Sunday Times by two special forces officers who fought the militants in Chechnya over a period of 10 years. Their testimony, the first of its kind to a foreign journalist, provides startling insights into the operation of secret Russian death squads during one of the most brutal conflicts since the second world war.

    The men, decorated veterans of more than 40 tours of duty in Chechnya, said not only suspected rebels but also people close to them were systematically tracked, abducted, tortured and killed. Intelligence was often extracted by breaking their limbs with a hammer, administering electric shocks and forcing men to perform sexual acts on each other. The bodies were either buried in unmarked pits or pulverised.

    Far from being the work of a few ruthless mavericks, such methods were widely used among special forces, the men said. They were backed by their superiors on the understanding that operations were to be carried out covertly and that any officers who were caught risked prosecution: the Russian government publicly condemns torture and extrajudicial killings and denies that its army committed war crimes in Chechnya.
    In practice, said Andrei and Vladimir, the second officer, the Kremlin turned a blind eye. “Anyone in power who took the slightest interest in the war knows this was going on,” Andrei said. “Our only aim was to wipe out the terrorists.”

    The two officers expressed pride in their contribution to the special forces’ “success” in containing the terrorist threat. But they spoke on condition they would not be named.

    Andrei, who was badly wounded in the war, said he took part in the killing of at least 10 alleged female suicide bombers. In a separate incident he had a wounded female sniper tied up and ordered a tank to drive over her.
    He also participated in one of the most brutal revenge sprees by Russian forces. Following the 2002 killings of two agents from the FSB security service and two soldiers from Russia’s equivalent of the SAS, the troops hunted down 200 Chechens said to be linked to the attacks.
  2. The Ruskis, no stone unturned, no line uncrossed and no boundary unbroken in the quest for a safer world! :thumleft:
  3. Timesonline forgot to add that "Andrey", "Vladimir" and the "death squad" also eat the babies. Raw.

    Journalism at its finest!
  4. Unmarked uniforms, masks, breaking arms and legs...are Ivan SF now trained by the TSG? :twisted:
  5. Times hasn't stirred anti-Russian sentiment for few days, couldn't find anything contemporary, so padded out events of almost 10 years ago with "chain saw massacre" details coupled with theatre siege illustration, and recycled them.

    Cases of brutality and war crimes were investigated, trials were held, guilty were punished. Long ago.
  6. Don't pay much attention. Mark Franchetti simply invented the whole story from begin to end.
  7. BrunoNoMedals

    BrunoNoMedals LE Reviewer

    On the plus side, it saves a fortune in prison costs.
  8. Invented or not, it does reflect Russian attitudes towards those they see as enemies. Read Beevor on Stalingrad or Berlin 1945 time. Life for them was very cheap and they had the same attitude when it came to opponents.
  9. chrisg46

    chrisg46 LE Book Reviewer

    Quite possibly, but if this was aimed at Brit/US SF in Iraq or Afghan, i suspect you would place great faith in this being true.
  10. INVENTED stories reflect attitudes of those who invent them.

    Also read Taken by Force by J. Robert Lilly.
  11. War crimes happen during ANY war, the Chechen one was no exception. That's not the point.

    These crimes were investigated and perpetrators were put on trial. Why did the newspaper choose to spin in a grotesque manner the 10 years old events, illustrate the "story" with a picture irrelevant to the article and splash it all across its pages?

    What is about to happen elsewhere in the world that needs to be buried under the rubble of anti-Russian hysteria?
  12. It's certainly a good deal tidier (and cheaper too. Do you know how much a funeral costs these days?) than keeping them in prison/Guantanamo bay. No complaints about "intensive questioning" either.

    Fertilizes the field as well I suppose.

    This sounds very similar to what the ancient egyptians used do with a pharaoh/priest who they fell out with post-mortem. They would strike their names from memory off public buildings and obelisks etc.

    I would say the rambling is attributed to drinking, but this camp is dry; it could possibly be sunstroke.
  13. Oh dear it appears the Ivan's have still not read Gen P's COIN manual.

    Chechnya is by any standards a notably dirty war. Also a rather long one despite the resources and brutal application. Haphazadly applied Syrian solutions have there problems.
  14. The Russian are not something special, a people as many others. No one likes enemies. and the Russians are not an exception.

    He is just another inventor.
  15. Anything somebody says about the Russians is false, anything against the west is true?